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hebrewroots98:
I understand and agree Gena that not many American christians are suffering as much as those in foreign countires where the gospel is not allowed; and neither do I know if being a maryr would be criteria or not for being the ELECT; I highly doubt it though, b/c alot of the ones in todays' times who are 'christian' missionaries seem (to me) to be taking the missionary role on themselves and are not GOD inspired to go there and that probably most of them are going outside of the TRUTH OF GOD and are taking it upon themselves to teach these christian untruths (HEll, tithing, free will etc) in countries like China, and Arabic countries where they are being tortured and killed (which I hate for them or anyone to have to suffer...), I do find their voluntary missionary status to be different from those whom lived in the Roman times where those people that suffered and died back then seemed to have had THE WHOLE TRUTH that they were trying to defend (not christian 'truths') and whom were already citazens whom were living there and they could not move or whom had no opportunities to flee, thus they were truly persecuted and died during that first century biblical changes ...(and it was even happening later... as in "Foxes Book of Martyrs".)  I am no authority on this subject though.  I do know that there have been a couple of times in my life that I have suffered in TERRIBLE ways (that I have never expressed here on this site) and I didn't die from these  (although I could have, and it might have been the easiesr way out), and I too was innocent (and a babe in Christ) of having committed any sin and such; but, I was spared death!   ??? ???Who knows in a situation like this ???   

a side note:
(I just heard DR. LAURA (on the radio) say that whe she goes to heaven that she is going to get right into "GODS'" face and point her her finger right between HIS eyes and say to HIM "Why would you allow children to suffer; and HE will say to me that "HE gives people free will, and it is not ME that hurt those kids, it was humans that went a step further than I had given them with the free will opportunity; and I will tell HIM that I can't take it"   (..."and people who know me, know that I will do just that!", she triumphantly boasted...)  I understand that she is concerned with the lives of innocent children that get harmed and killed by stupid adults, but, she also does not understand that HE IS ULTIMATELY IN CONTROLL AND RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LENGTH OF LIVES FOR OF ALL OF HIS CHILDREN; AND HE WILL BLESS THEM AND EVERYONE ONE DAY...

 

gmik:
Where does anyone get off thinking they will "point their finger in God's face"!  OMG

I hate hearing people say stuff like that now! It is blasphemous to my ears!


Back to your comments Susan... ;)  What about the martyrs later, during the Middle Ages...they did not have the whole truth then, but still died rather than deny Him.

I knew a teacher who had been a missionary in Africa...."but not the religious kind" he was always quick to say.  He wanted to travel!!!! He conned a religious group tho to send him.  He ended up being a principal....that was his payback! :D

hebrewroots98:
Hi Gena,
Yes, I can't stand to hear that kind of talk either!

For those whom have been put in a situation like this where they must choose death for not denouncing Jesus; I absolutely feel for them; I am sure that they will be rewarded for not denying HIM; I only hope that if I were ever put in that same situation that I would have the same faith and strength to do the same!!   And then what about those those whom died for the furtherance of the written Word, in which you and I and all others would not have the  knowledge from those books and from the Word that they died in order to  preserve for us; for them, I am eternally grateful  b/c they blessed us with their perserverance unto death.  ...a trial that I would never want to have to face.   Not to in any way discount what martyrs have ti endurem but martyrs happen for all sorts of reasons (Military  personell for their country; Bhutto for democracy, and others for their endless other causes as well...), some have choices and some don't; but, ultimately it is all in GODS' plan for their lives.,..as sad as it is   :-\ ???... I can't immagine being an observer as though it were a sport, like lots of people had done in the past,.. 

How funny about the missionary principal; I have met hundreds of ppl like this; anything to not have to work and anything to get others to pay their way while they just chill (and judge others in diff countries throughout the world for not believing as they do); all the while just taking an adventure trip as the motives in their hearts instead of truly wanting to show truth to others,,,I know, I amost was one of them,, but, thankfully the  Lord pulled me away from them; some of these even went to seminary simply to find like minded spouses; I know, I was the prey of several of them ::) ;)

gmik:
Yes Amen, thanks to those who have gone before!!

STORM:
Even though we don't live in a country where we are killed for being christians, we do still live in this present evil age-------and all who will live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. God can order our lives perfectly to suffer for his sake, regardless of what country we live in.

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