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Samson:
Hello Matt,

                I thought this was an interesting post, it just so happens that in the past(approx 1 month ago), I read in another Universal Site that their are two different greek words rendered ALL, unfortunately I don't know specifically where that information was at this particular time, however I do remember the difference in the meaning of these two greek words, One of these greek words for ALL means EVERYONE and the other means ALL SORTS OF conveying not necessarily everyone, but all of a particular group out of everyone. The first meaning of ALL that I mention is the one meant in 1cor.15:22 and this applies to the other Scriptures we use to prove Universal Salvation for everyone. This greek word I refer to meaning literally everyone, if I remember correctly started with p(plesion or something like that), if I can find the exact info, I'll let you know. The reason for my bringing this up is because, I at one time had doubts about ALL referring to everyone, until viewing this information, this was the clincher. The same idea applies to the greek word AION, if the Bible writers wanted to mean Eternal or Endless, they would have used the greek word AIDIOS, instead of AION. Nice to read your post and may Christ be with you, SAmson.

Matt:
Samson,
  Thank you!  Please let me know if you find anymore on that.  I am so excited that the Lord is finally growing me, though it is not as fast as I like, I am happy to be moving forward :) and also happy to be here among friends :)

Matt

DuluthGA:
Hi all,

Here's a portion of a post I made on Sept 11 last year:

What delighted me this evening was Ray's recent audio which is related:  http://bible-truths.com/audio/09-02-07%20Part%201.mp3, "Does All Mean All?"

I'm going to paraphrase a small portion now in a very sketchy manner.  The audio is great...

Why doesn't the Greek word for 'all' [pas] mean ALL, absolutely, completely, ALL of the time, all inclusive, every, without exception?  If so it would be much easier to very plainly point to the scriptures that declare that God will save all His creation.  But sometimes in the Greek, 'all' means only 'just as many as' or some.  So you really cannot securely base this proclamation on the verses such as 1Tim 2:4 that contain the word 'all'... "Who will have ALL men to be saved"....  even though we know from context that it is so.... because the theologians are technically right about the word 'all' meaning both only some and all.

So how to "take them on" when they by the hundreds of thousands have been studying these things for two thousand years?  Ray provides lots of alternatives.  But further on this 'all' matter... Ray goes on...

To say that these blinded souls acknowledge that in other verses 'all' means 'all' when they want it to BUT NEVER when it comes to salvation... no, because they not only despise the Word of God but these people are vengeful and hurtful and they want certain people to go to hell.

Why did God do it this way?  Why, to make it easier and more plain, didn't God give one very strong word for the concept of a complete 'all'?  Then they wouldn't have an excuse to blaspheme God and say He's not going to save everyone and torture them forever in hell.  But why didn't God provide such a word?

"Because if He did... how would Satan deceive the whole world? [Rev 12:9]  How would these theologians be deceived if there were no room for deception?"

Ray cites:

Isa 28: 10, 13    For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
v. 13   But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

Otherwise "they" wouldn't fall and be broken and snared and taken (captive)... in their own demented minds....

"But if you have a heart that doesn't think the rest of humanity is as good as you then there's room to pervert the scriptures, pervert one's mind and be easily deceived.... THAT'S WHY THERE ARE LOOPHOLES IN THE SCRIPTURES."

"That's the way the word of God is."

Ka-Pow! :)
Janice

Deborah-Leigh:
An accurate post Janice!

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

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