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Something I noticed about Rays "Hell:C" Article...

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Origen II:
He kind of makes Egypt to be this horrible place. I understand that many heresies came from Egypt, but I think Ray forgot that Clement and Origen came from Alexandria, Egypt.

And they were some of the biggest proponents of Universal Salvation...

SteveB:

--- Quote ---He kind of makes Egypt to be this horrible place. I understand that many heresies came from Egypt, but I think Ray forgot that Clement and Origen came from Alexandria, Egypt.

And they were some of the biggest proponents of Universal Salvation...
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Egypt being the center of 2-3rd centruy 'christian learning' may be telling us something. :shock:

Clement and Origen were both 'milk drinkers' as far as i can tell from there writings. They didnt see the deep things of the spirit

UR is the milk of the word...

Heb 6:1 Wherefore, dismissing the elementary discourse concerning the Christ, unto maturity, let us be tending, not, again, a foundation, laying down-of repentance from dead works, and of faith towards God,
Heb 6:2 Of immersions-in respect of teaching, and of the laying on of hands, of the resurrection of the dead, and of judgment age-abiding;-
Heb 6:3 And, this, will we do, if at least, God, permit.

Peace...Steve

Origen II:
Yes...but they both believed in UR. So how were they 'milk drinkers' ?

SOTW:
I have done extensive studies on Origen and his beliefs. I can tell from experience his writings and ideas are misunderstood by many just like Peter said Paul's writings were misunderstood. Much of everything Origen preached was not milk, it was the reason why there is so much hatred against him 300 years later.

His doctrines proposed salvation for all mankind and restoration of all things in Christ Jesus in which God subjected them to vanity in the first place for the purpose of having Children. Origen's writings out number those of any early Christian teacher and it was the manipulation of his writings years later that the church decided to call it heresy so Eternal Torment could be the justifiable end.

His believes in Free-Will but his definition of Free-Will is not the same Definition of Free-Will that is mainly used today. His definition of Free-Will is not the Free-Will which others in the Gospel of Universal Reconciliation fight against. The Free-Will I argue against along with many is the definition created by Augustine who lived 500 years after Origen and was one person who talk badly of Origen every time it was brought up. In fact, he went to ever effort to ensure that Origen was labeled a heretic.

Lastly, Egypt is a strange puppy. It is where most of the Lord's greatest achievements came from. Jesus Himself spent much time in Egypt in his first 30 years of life. So you have the Exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt, and Jesus who was on exodus to Egypt.

love_magnified:

--- Quote from: Origen II ---Yes...but they both believed in UR. So how were they 'milk drinkers' ?
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The Corinthians believed in it as they were taught by Paul. They fell behind in no gift and they were yet carnal, suing eachother, getting involved with foolish doctrines, being easily swayed. So knowing UR is not enough to be spiritual or eating meat. To me, the meat of the word is in the application of it in our lives (not just knowing the symbols). The meat is understanding Christ within us. Christ within us is the steak.

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