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Pagan Doctrine of the Soul by Ernest L. Martin
EKnight:
I found this too.
Title: Re: Plagiarism Help?
Post by: Dennis Vogel on February 28, 2008, 10:07:30 PM
Quote from: dch1 on February 28, 2008, 06:15:51 PM
Hey dennis this has got to be a blatent example of plagiarism. It is taken from the LOF series installment XVI part C. The origin of endless punishment. http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d980927.htm
It's sad when people steal to glorify themselves.
I asked Ray to write a few words about Dr Martin.
Denny:
I knew Dr. Ernest Martin since 1967 (that's over 40 years). The last time we studied together was back in 1982, I believe, when he flew out from California to Mobile where I lived at the time and we spent a long weekend together. We were both familiar with the Concordant Publishing Concern and had agreed on certain things they taught: Namely Universal Reconciliation. And so I have been familiar with his work and research for a long time. Some things Dr. Martin did not see. He felt the "Lake of Fire" would be a literal place in the future in Palestine. He also did not comprehend the Sovereignty of God and man's lack of a free will. That is until a few months before he died. Shortly after he died a friend who knew him well up in Portland, Oregon informed me that Dr. Martin came to realize that man absolutely did not have a free will and that God is totally Sovereign. I was very glad to hear that. I gave Dr. Martin credit for some of my outline on "The Cano nization of the Scriptures" which I taught at our last Conference, if some of you remember. So he learned some things before I did, and I learned some things before he did. Shortly after his death I was asked by the man left in charge of his work if I would care to help take over the work of Dr. Martin. I graciously declined. We were not agreed everything, that's for sure, but even more, we have our hands full with bible-truths.com.
God be with you,
Ray
daywalker:
Yep, it's definitely sad how it all started...
I read similar quotes in, "THE EARLY CHRISTIAN VIEW OF THE SAVIOR", By Gary Amirault. He is a Universalist, and though I am not schooled in everything he believes, this is a very good article with some key Historical facts as well.
It's amazing what a little 'honest' research will uncover.
Thy Will Be Done,
Daywalker.
cjwood:
hi samson brad,
ray writes concerning the same info about the deliberate deception in his LOF series 16 C. if you read down about the last 1/3 of that paper you will see what ray says about it.
claudia
Samson:
Hi Everyone,
I was surprised to see that someone Resurrected this Old Topic. George was the one.
All of you take note that this originally posted 01/09/08, maybe a week after I joined
the Forum, so I want to clarify that this Article was in my possession prior to my even
knowing the existence of this Site(Bible-Truths) and part of my collection. The Article
by Dr. Ernest L. Martin, our subject was discovered from an A-Z Universalist Library
entitled God's Truth for Today. That Library of Universalist Authors was my first exposure
of Universalist thought and subsequently led to my arrival at this Site.
The Email in question regarding Ray's mentioning of Dr. Martin was provided by Eileen.
Thankyou Eileen ! Most of my early examination of Ray's material, prior to joining this
Site consisted of mainly reading his Emails and the one regarding his mentioning Dr. Martin
was one of them. My initial Topic Post that began this thread was only some excerpts
from Dr. Martin's article. The concept of a Dual belief system; one to control the masses
and one for those of the "intellectual" class made perfect sense to me.
This seemed to be the motivation of Augustine and others in declaring Universalism
as Heresy and implementing Eternal Torment as a vehicle to control the masses.
The few that knew the Truth of the Eventual Restoration of All Things were Spirtitually
Blinded too, believing their own lies, except for God's Elect down through the centuries.
Kind regards, Samson.
Marlene:
Hello, I know before I came in here I was studying some of the different church history. All the difference in them drew me out of Babylon. I know, that God led me to Ray. It was first place I came to that made sense. I recall Ray saying he believed in the reconcillation of all. I don't think he is linking himself with even other universalist. But, I do know I put in Ernest Martin and some other group has his teachings on there website.
I am so happpy that God led me to Ray first. After, reading his articles I can discern the truth. Ray is so good at always having scriptures for us. He in my opinion is unlike any of the others I have read. Some, who are universalist believe in Rapture, Trinity even that we are Imortal. Thanks to the scriptures Ray presents I know none of those believes are truths of God. It is not just in organzied church we have to watch. I mean this mixing of untruths is a dangerous things. I just thank God he led me to Ray first. We should never link all believes together. Ray believes the truths that God has taught him. I know that there are many who believe what we have been shown here, but we have the scriptures for proof. I am in here and learning have a long way to go. I have tested the teaching and happy now I am able to discern when false teachings are being taught.
Steve, I can believe that there are many ministers who do not know they have been lied to. I am sure God has his plan to lead many ministers to the truth.
With what knowledge you did have you were not trying to deceive. God knows that. Just, the fact that you don't want to teach shows me a humble spirit especially after being so involved in ministry. People, of all walks of life will be drawn to the truth by the Lord. He knows who we are and he draws us and he keeps us. I am just so happy that nothing I try to do ever worked out . But, everything he does works out and makes me content and have peace that I never had. I find nothing wrong in discerning things. I am just glad I can see now. Yes, there are truly those ministers and members who really mean well. But, are blind I was one of them. I just tear up when I think where God has brought me.
For me this is the best I have found. Ray won't even teach on anything till he feels like he has been led to the truth. He is humble and not fast to write an article just for the sake of saying he understands. Ray discerns things and never links himself with man, but with Christ. That, is a hard one for sure. We are so use to doing that. We just cant take truths and mix them with lies. I think many even some universlist do that.
In His Love,
Marlene
I am not trying to hurt anyone. Its just what I have learned from being in here and the scriptures coming to life. I am like Steve learning truths and giving up the lies that I had been taught. Qutie a humble experience. I would not trade these truths for any money or anything because it is the first time in my life I am not wandering to and fro searching.
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