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ALL SCRIPTURE IS FOR OUR ADMONITION
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on January 13, 2008, 12:24:32 PM ---
If there is anything worth knowing it is that free will is a myth, a lie and the truth is that God is in control!
--- End quote ---
Amen to that!
Another insightful response Arcturus (your entire post), thank you.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Deborah-Leigh:
Thank you Joe
I was also just contemplating this further. Your post is the catalyst and you observed after Gena's comments that we should love as Christ loves. YES! So that caught my attention to add onto the fact that not only are MY circumstances in Gods control but so are EVERYONE ELSE'S!
It makes me think that my persecutors are in GOD's Plan! How about that! I SHOULD BE LOVING THEM with Agape love.....Godly love...you know, loving them, knowing God is using them as He has done all throughout the ages! God does not change.
How are we to LOVE as God loves if we think we have free will or that others have free will! HOW? Not possible. NO WONDER the beginning of wisdom is to fear God ( or should this say, KNOW THAT YOU HAVE NO FREE WILL AND THAT GOD IS SOVEREIGN!)...and what's more, NO ONE ELSE has free will either!! :o including all the demons and satan himself!...
I value the opportunity to vent and connect with brethren who have believed what Ray has taught us in his papers on the Myth of Free Will....It is such a huge subject I believe it is worth contemplating daily through all circumstances.
That is easier said than done...There but for the Grace of God.....
Peace to you brother
Arc.
Robin:
Ecclesiastes seems to talk about all you can gain that is just vanity.
Then it jumps to the Song of Solomon, which seems to cast all that aside with the sole purpose of seeking our first love. After we see that we are the beast we know there is nothing within us that is good or of any worth. We then seek our first love because we know all is found in him. Then the knowledge we gain is centered in who he is and not self serving knowledge that feeds our carnal beast.
Philippians 3:
9and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith. 10I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,
Ecclesiastes 1
16I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.
17And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
18For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
Ecclesiastes 3
14I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
15That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
16And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.
17I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.
18I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
Song of Solomon 2
9My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.
10My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello MG
Beautiful Scriptures!
This comes to mind regarding what you posted : Heb 9 :28 Even so it is that Christ, having been offered to take upon Himself and bear as a burden the sins of many once and once for all, WILL APPEAR a second time, not to carry any burden of sin nor to deal with sin, but to bring to full salvation THOSE WHO ARE EAGERLY, CONSTANTLY, AND PATIENTLY, waiting for and expecting HIM.
This could be the conclusion to the Scriptures you quote I believe. For as we are brought to see and know that WE are the beast THEN only can we "eagerly, constantly, and patiently wait and expect Him "...to call us away? I believe so.
How else can we wait for Him eagerly if we do not know we are the Beast waiting for Him to deliver us, call us away, take us with Him. Why wait for Him or expect Him if we think we are okay still without Him or if we are in the illusion that we choose Him or that we have powers that are Sovereign to Him only and not to us.
Does this not underscore the importance of knowing that we do not have any power or will that can thwart the will of God and that freedom of choice is a lie, illusion and figment of the imagination of the Beast!
Peace to you sister
Arcturus :)
Robin:
I tend to think that "calling away" is here. It is the high calling that is above anything we go through here.
He standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice..
1 Corinthians 13
12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
That high calling drags us out of the illusion of having free will. It drags us away from thinking we are better than anyone else. It drags us away from dead works that are centered in our own self righteousness. We see that our righteousness is filthy rags and seek the one who will clothe us in his righteousness.
Philippians 3:14
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 1
17That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
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