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Question (Christ was made sin?)
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Joe
--- Quote ---the experience and knowledge of good and evil must be lived and that to truly appreciate immortality we must for a time be mortal, to truly appreciate good we must know the ramifications of evil.
--- End quote ---
We must know the ramifications of evil...THAT is the very hard part.
Eph 6 : 12 For we are not wrestling with flesh and blood, contending only with physical opponents, but against the despotisms, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spirit forces of wickedness in the heavenly sphere.
Those despotisms and wickedness in this present darkness, is part of the plan of God to conclude us into union with Him and to draw our strength, endurance and patience from Him. God is the armor of truth, integrity, peace, faith, salvation and glory and part of the process of God is to experience vulnerability, abuse, deception, dishonesty, depravity and finally victory over all the strategies and deceits of the devil. Such strength's are not in our flesh or personalities bound to vanity, but are in the Spirit of Christ who makes us stand or experience the fall of the righteous man and the getting up again and again because of HIM the righteous ONE.
--- Quote ---there were grown men in tears (myself included)
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Deception is a gross insidiously wicked tool of evil. It has made our Father and His Son appear as hideously evil loveless gods of hate against our weakness, indifference against our failures and disdain against our dependence. To be grown and to cry is so precious as His Spirit touches some hearts and minds to open and experience His love and the gift of love to us that promises us life without death when He will wipe away all our tears. To have tears in this hardened world and present darkness, is a gift showing renewed sight I believe and what an awesome moment to have been in the experience of knowing His love as you received the truth of His Words as Ray expounded on who God really IS.
Thanks for sharing that.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Brett:
Hello,
I probably sound challenge, but really I am very concerning about the scripture truth. I hope you don't mind when I ask you.
Flesh have sin; Sin in the flesh
or
Flesh not have sin; Sin not in the flesh
Do you know which one is correct? If you know the answer, mind if I ask you which scripture that is support your answer? Not to hastily answer but be seriously. :)
I appreciate it.
Brett
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Brett
Here are a few thoughts that might help. I believe my other brothers and sisters here in the Forum will also be able to add more direction and insights for you as to what they see and understand also.
For me, I believe that Only through the blood shed by the sacrifice of Jesus' terrible death of His sinless flesh and preciously pure body, are we given the way to be healed and restored of our own sinful bodies.
The flesh of Jesus was pure and untainted without sin that is why the shedding of HIS blood is sufficient to heal us and make our sinfulness be removed and the scars and violations of sins we suffer against us, to be healed. There is nothing deeper enough than the life that is in the blood of Christ, that can heal us from our own sufferings of having to be housed in a carnal mind and body that is subject to vanity and harnessed to liability to temptations, failures and spiritual weakness. The flesh and body of Jesus is and was not like our own. Jesus was without sin.
John 6 : 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do My own will and purpose but to do the will andpurpose of Him Who sent Me. 51 I Myself, am this Living Bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this Bread, he will live forever: and also the Bread that I shall give for the life of the world is My flesh.
Jesus Christ is the only one who has come to the Earth from the Heaven. No other flesh has housed the incorruptible sinless Spirit of Christ in full. Only Jesus is the express image of God. We are in the process of being transformed into His image. Few are chosen in each generation to receive in part only the promise of His full redemption and salvation. These few are in the judgement on the house of God that has been occurring since the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. All the others who are not chosen and are not being judged throughout their lives now as in judgement on the House of God NOW, will be saved in the LOF White Throne Judgement in the Day Of The Lord.
Gal 3 : 22 But the scripture has concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith OF Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
hillsbororiver:
Hi Brett,
Let me attempt to expand a bit on what Arcturus was saying here, if in our minds (in scripture heart/mind is one) we constantly seek to do his will we cannot sin, but we know in our present condition this is not yet possible, when we embrace thoughts (in our heart) of lust, anger, revenge, covetousness, etc. we are already sinning and may even give license to our body to carry through on the evil desires that eminate from the heart.
Here are Words from our Lord in regard to this, we do not have to physically in our flesh commit the act of adultery to be guilty of adultery;
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
The OT Prophets (inspired by God) wrote of this as well;
Pro 6:18 A heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 21:4 A high look, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked, is sin.
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
It all begins in the carnal mind, our flesh does not sin in and of itself, our hearts (minds) do. Our hand will not steal something unless directed to by our mind.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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