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Brett:
Hi Joe,

I'm good, thanks. I know I haven't much post or reply for while. Most of the time I read almost everyday in bible-truths forum and also others have answers and questions similar I have.

I understand the transcripts have not yet and it is huge. Kat will do for us as long as she can and time.

Brett

lilitalienboi16:
Man ray blows me out of the water. How he has all this knowledge just baffles my little mind.

I pray i too one day might be able to teach these things as ray does but most importantly that Christ live His life in me. I hate the beast =[!

Thanks again joe for that, it was a great reminder to read.

God bless,

Alex

hillsbororiver:
Hi again Brett,

Glad to hear you are doing well, just drop in and say "hi" every now and then so we know you are still OK.  ;)

Hey Alex,

I am right with you, on all the points you made. Every day I am thankful that God lead me here to cut through the endless conjecture of man made speculation and replaced it with the sound teachings the Lord has provided Ray.

Still in my possession is a library of "Christian" books that only served up confusion, never in my life have I read the refreshing crystal clear messages that have inspired me and fed my spirit as the articles on Bible Truths have. The way scripture is used rather than human reasoning has convicted me of the truths contained within Ray's papers, until it is shown with scriptural witnesses that there is error I will be a proponant of all of the teachings here.

His Peace and Wisdom to you both,

Joe

Deborah-Leigh:
I know what you mean about those "Christian" books Joe!

Some where Ray has written something to the effect that people mostly try or are trying to get out of their circumstances and very few depend on God entirely for everything!

The teaching that God punished His Son who is the spotless Lamb of God, is such a perversion and corruption. What is sad is that those who agree, go along with or accept such teachings end up manifesting the consequences in their own person of such beliefs. I for one collapsed into a ten year stint in clinical depression. After being made by God to continue through and out of that painful episode, I am still not out of the woods because now the self esteem has to come off its pedestal.That is a very painful experience too but nevertheless the preferable one to living with a false sense of security! :D

Peace to you brother

Arcturus :)

hillsbororiver:

--- Quote from: Arcturus on January 18, 2008, 11:16:03 AM ---
The teaching that God punished His Son who is the spotless Lamb of God, is such a perversion and corruption. What is sad is that those who agree, go along with or accept such teachings end up manifesting the consequences in their own person of such beliefs.


--- End quote ---

Hi Arcturus,

This is so true, we actually lose sight of His plan and purpose if we believe the Father poured His wrath on His Son. This sacrifice was done out of love not revenge or hate, can anyone say that for even a moment God the Father despised and hated the very Son with whom He had declared He was "well pleased?"

Mat 3:17  And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

At the Nashville '07 Conference Ray put together an outstanding description of the love both Father and Son had/have for their creation, in infinite Wisdom they put this plan of salvation or actually this process of creation where the experience and knowledge of good and evil must be lived and that to truly appreciate immortality we must for a time be mortal, to truly appreciate good we must know the ramifications of evil.

We can see the Father's tears through the tears of Abraham as he prepared to sacrifice Isaac, does one suppose that Abraham hated and was anxious to pour out wrath on Isaac, or was he prepared to follow through this with a heavy heart?
Was Abraham more loving and just than God?

Job 4:17  Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?

God in His mercy spared Isaac (and by extension spared Abraham) but He did not spare His Son or Himself from this demonstration of infinite love for His creation. In essence He showed us He understood us at our very core, if all of mankind had to experience this heartbreak of death to attain our inheritance then He would too, in the most extreme fashion no less.

This was one of the most profound teachings I ever experienced and there were grown men in tears (myself included) as the realizations hit home during that presentation by Ray.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html

His Peace and Wisdom to you Sister,

Joe

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