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BOTHERS AND SISTERS, I PRESENT TO YOU Godel's incompleteness theorem
eggi:
Ha ha ha!
That's funny John!
I'm glad me and Kat are together in this (and you, according to your PS). I'll try to ponder on it, but I guess I'm still waiting for the explanation!
;D
God bless you,
Eirik
travellarry:
Very Good Morning Brothers and Sisters, 8:27 eastern, cold and damp here in DC, but one more glorious day from our Lord
Very funny, you guys crack me up. We are complete in Him, In Him dwells all the fullness of Godhead bodily. He is our all in all before God. He is our everything.
Let me be specific to who 'he' is, lest someone say, i'm referring to Godel, hehehehehhe :)
HE= LORD JESUS CHRIST
The church is the manifold wisdom of God, so even angles try to look into it, to ponder it.(Col, Eph)
Kurt Godel, thou he was very paranoid at the end of his life, is a gift of God to us. That brother (are we not all children of the same father??) of ours is loved by God just as God loves you and me. He is to be respected and his writings should be understood and not feared. God Jesus Christ died for his sins too.
Since Truth cannot be hid, and it comes out through varied places, we have to train our selves to investigate and glory in God's benevolence towards us in giving us Mathematicians and Artists. God is Good.
Now have you guys not learned in schools from unbelievers, is none of your doctor, whom you go when you get sick, are they not many atheists doctors? How come you guys trust them?? How are u sure that the atheists doctors to whom you go for medications do not really hate Christians and they do not want to harm them??
In malice let us be children, and in understanding Men.
Praise our Lord Jesus Christ, let all creation praise him.
l
Craig:
Larry,
I am not here to say if Godel is right or wrong. The forum is not the place to bring up others teachings though. That is not our purpose, our purpose it to discuss the teaching of the scriptures as brought out by Ray smith.
We have allowed some writings of others if a certain statement helps us along our journey, but for the most part other's teachings or theories is not what we are here for, whether they be right or wrong.
Normally your post may be deleted all together, but you are new here and I realize we must learn the ropes.
Hope you understand.
Craig
travellarry:
Craig
thanks for bearing with me; as an administrator, there is a lot of responsibility you have. and i apologize if i caused any misunderstanding. Please forgive me for that.
Thanks for not deleting my thread.
Let me make some points clearer
Godel's theorem is NOT teaching; neither is it religious sermon. Godel's theorem is not about who Jesus or God or salvation is. That’s why it is off topic discussions.
What Godel’s theorem IS: Just a tool for apologetics. Godel’s theorem is LOGIC. Just as 2+2 is 4 so is Godel’s theorem. If 2+2 is teaching, so is Godel’s theorem
Hope that lightens up and clears up the discussion.
Peace
l
--- Quote from: Craig on January 29, 2008, 08:04:06 AM ---Larry,
I am not here to say if Godel is right or wrong. The forum is not the place to bring up others teachings though. That is not our purpose, our purpose it to discuss the teaching of the scriptures as brought out by Ray smith.
We have allowed some writings of others if a certain statement helps us along our journey, but for the most part other's teachings or theories is not what we are here for, whether they be right or wrong.
Normally your post may be deleted all together, but you are new here and I realize we must learn the ropes.
Hope you understand.
Craig
--- End quote ---
travellarry:
alright
before we let this run off having its own life
let me offer some explanation..., this may interest a few...and then we can end this thread
part 1 of godel's theorem: Negative implications
Any system of thought, ANY isms...Like marxism, calvanism, etc.
have a set of basic axioms (something that is true).
now Ingressive axioms are those axioms that go deep into the system, once we attack ingressive axioms and if they prove to be wrong, then we can bring the entire system down.
AND any ism is capable of producing statement that cannot be proved or disproved by the system itself. that is, any system can spew out false statements too
Ex: example in Calvanism: Christ died only for the elect.
Part 2: positive implication
any additional axiom is required to prove a new statement, that cannot be proved with the given set of old axioms
ex: An athetist would say, consistent to his system of axioms: there is no God.
the additional axiom needed to disprove the athetist: there is God.
alright
peace out, lets close this thread.
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