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BOTHERS AND SISTERS, I PRESENT TO YOU Godel's incompleteness theorem

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indianabob:
Larry,

The first responsibility of one who teaches or shares their personal knowledge is to consider the needs of their students or of those who are the intended recipients of new and expanded knowledge.  This calls for a careful assessment of the language that is required to exchange the thoughts that one wishes to share.  Without this preparation and consensual agreement, communication must suffer.  However valuable your understanding has been to you and others of your acquaintance, it is of no value to me until I comprehend.  It would behoove you to seek deeper understanding of our group interest and our limitations before you expect to achieve mutual understanding of this topic.

As impressive as your presentation is and even if it is a treasure of great value, it was all Greek to me as I have no place in my present brain to store Greek language.  Perhaps a translation to the vernacular is called for.

Regards, Indianabob

LittleBear:

--- Quote ---It's not really math itself that is incomplete, but any formal system that attempts to capture all the truths of mathematics in its finite set of axioms and rules.
--- End quote ---

This sort of reminds me of the difference between the letter of the law and the life of the Spirit, or dead regimented religion as opposed to the vast freedom of faith.

Thanks for sharing this Larry,

Ursula

dewey:
good morning brothers and sisters,
  Good job Indianabob.  I understood everything that travellary said , and I would love to explain, to everyone ,what it revieled to me .But because I type so slow it would be a great waste of time ,because my first five words would get my post deleted.
   Now my wife paula sits across the room from me shaking her finger, saying judge not least you be ... ah, you know the scripture.  Love all yall .
         dewey said it

psalmsinger:
Thank you for sharing Godel's theorem.  Fantastic!  I remember arguing something about a theorem actually being a "theory"  (not fact) once in trig class, but got no answer.  That was in high school where I thought I knew everything before the age of 18 and have been going downhill ever since...LOL  (that's a joke, OK?)  This reminds me of studying science, astronomy etc. to see how God works His wonders to behold. Ray does that also methinks.  Anyway, I enjoyed it even if I don't understand all it's implications yet.  I will be reading it again....... thinking more on it ;D  God is the Master Scientist and Master Mathematician.  Sometimes He reveals His ways even to the scientists and they don't know it.

Rest in the Lord,

Barbara

jackson:
I don't think what Larry was trying to point out is in any way contrary to God or to Ray for that matter.

Let me try to interperet ;D(I'm probabaly way off)

Any belief system when it evolves into an "ism" or a formal system with structure and chain of command by its very nature needs to be self sustaining in order to continue to flourish.  In other words, the actual "belief" it was formed on becomes less important than the performance and endurance of the "system" itself.  Case in point--the modern day Christian church.

In His Grace,
jackson

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