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Becky:
thanks

eutychus:

--- Quote from: zander ---Can anyone shed more light on this?  I was shocked to read that there really is no scripture to state that Mary was a virgin, as Ray has just stipulated.

Is this true?  I mean i have never read it in scripture, but have i missed something?  Was Mary really NOT a virgin, at Christ's birth/conception?
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the"Immaculate conception"

is the catholic teaching that mary was born without sin, by grace, because christ could not have tainted blood going thru his body.

this to me is to deny Christ came in the flesh.


"""In the Constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 8 December, 1854, Pius IX pronounced and defined that the Blessed Virgin Mary "in the first instance of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin."



http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm


peace
euty

Becky:
I wasn't catholic and havn't research that at all.   wow that's interesting!!!!

Kevin:
Catholics dont believe that Mary had any more children after Jesus was born. Try to show them all the scripture that says she had children after the birth of Jesus and they will deny it. They also think Mary was taken staight up to heaven that she didnt even die.
I was raised catholic and did all the abominations that comes along with that religion. I came out (dragged out) many,many, years ago.
I remember going to a catholic charismatic function and they had a speaker talking about Mary, They said that Mary was letting people in the back door to heaven :shock: Of course at the time I believed it.
I remember getting annointed with some supposedly tears from a statue of Mary.
All I can say now and do is thank my heavenly Father for having mercy upon me and opening my eyes and revealing His wonderful truth.
Of course when I left the catholic church it caused a war in my family.

eutychus:

--- Quote from: Kevin ---Catholics dont believe that Mary had any more children after Jesus was born. Try to show them all the scripture that says she had children after the birth of Jesus and they will deny it. They also think Mary was taken staight up to heaven that she didnt even die.
I was raised catholic and did all the abominations that comes along with that religion. I came out (dragged out) many,many, years ago.
I remember going to a catholic charismatic function and they had a speaker talking about Mary, They said that Mary was letting people in the back door to heaven :shock: Of course at the time I believed it.
I remember getting annointed with some supposedly tears from a statue of Mary.
All I can say now and do is thank my heavenly Father for having mercy upon me and opening my eyes and revealing His wonderful truth.
Of course when I left the catholic church it caused a war in my family.
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im with ya bro:

THE FACT OF THE ASSUMPTION
Regarding the day, year, and manner of Our Lady's death, nothing certain is known. The earliest known literary reference to the Assumption is found in the Greek work De Obitu S. Dominae. Catholic faith, however, has always derived our knowledge of the mystery from Apostolic Tradition. Epiphanius (d. 403) acknowledged that he knew nothing definite about it (Haer., lxxix, 11). The dates assigned for it vary between three and fifteen years after Christ's Ascension. Two cities claim to be the place of her departure: Jerusalem and Ephesus. Common consent favours Jerusalem, where her tomb is shown; but some argue in favour of Ephesus. The first six centuries did not know of the tomb of Mary at Jerusalem.

The belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is founded on the apocryphal treatise De Obitu S. Dominae, bearing the name of St. John, which belongs however to the fourth or fifth century. It is also found in the book De Transitu Virginis, falsely ascribed to St. Melito of Sardis, and in a spurious letter attributed to St. Denis the Areopagite. If we consult genuine writings in the East, it is mentioned in the sermons of St. Andrew of Crete, St. John Damascene, St. Modestus of Jerusalem and others. In the West, St. Gregory of Tours (De gloria mart., I, iv) mentions it first. The sermons of St. Jerome and St. Augustine for this feast, however, are spurious. St. John of Damascus (P. G., I, 96) thus formulates the tradition of the Church of Jerusalem:


St. Juvenal, Bishop of Jerusalem, at the Council of Chalcedon (451), made known to the Emperor Marcian and Pulcheria, who wished to possess the body of the Mother of God, that Mary died in the presence of all the Apostles, but that her tomb, when opened, upon the request of St. Thomas, was found empty; wherefrom the Apostles concluded that the body was taken up to heaven.
Today, the belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is universal in the East and in the West; according to Benedict XIV (De Festis B.V.M., I, viii, 18) it is a probable opinion, which to deny were impious and blasphemous.

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