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lilitalienboi16:
Okay so i was listening to a calvanist debate a christian. He says God doesn't love us the way we are now. He even quoted a scripture in which he said God hates all workers of inequity and he notes that it is the workers themselves God hates and not the inequity.

Now i understand that when God hates its not the same thing as carnal man hateing. Just as when God does something with the strength of His right arm, and i do something with the strength of my right arm, it's two very different things. After all God thus loves the world that He gave His only begotten Son, yet He hates the workers of inequity? I understand this all. My problem is, are their actualy scriptures that prove God loves us just the way we are - sinful carnal humans?

I always reasoned that God did because otherwise He wouldn't have sent His Son to die for us. If God didn't love us the way we were now, He wouldn't work in us to change us into His Sons image. After all, God does all this out of love right? He loves us so much that He wants us to be like Him, to have what He has. Correct?

Or does God infact not love us the way we are, but rather Loves us because He sees us through Christ and who we will one day be in Christ? This could make sence but than it would just i think be alittle akward to say that because God loves the world and died for it so He must love us the way we are. Sinful and carnal.

Answers? Scripture?

I'm specifcly looking for scriptural answers. Scriptures that would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that indeed God loves sinners, carnal and sinful and flawed.

Thanks and God bless,

Alex

Gregor:
Luke 6:32 “But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive back, what credit is that to you? For even sinners lend to sinners to receive as much back. 35 But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil. 36 Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful.

Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Deborah-Leigh:
Excerpt from http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3719.0.html

We’ve stepped out of Sunday School now, and we’re going to a little higher level.
You can have this agapao love, for something you hate.  What, yes you can, proof, God does.  He hated Esau, He hates a false witness, He hates people.  He doesn’t just hate false witnesses, He hates a false witness, that’s a person, you see.

The Christian world would have you believe, He loves the world sooo much.  But the Concordance version has it right,  John 3:16 “For thus God loves the world…”
Not how much He loved the world, although it was a lot, but that is not what the word said.  It does not say, for God loved the world so much, no.  It says this is how He loved the world, that’s what it means.  He didn’t so love the world, He thus loved the world, in this way and this manner. Now in what manner did He agape the world, “He gave His only begotten Son,” ok.  But if you say, God so loved the world, then you are insinuating He has phileo love for the world, right.  That He has this affectionate, endearment of friendship with the world, because He so loved the world.  NO.
This is the manner He loved them, He loved them with this agapao love, which has the benefit and future of humanity at heart.  No where does it say, God phileo loves the world, or any sinner in the world, mark that. 

Deborah-Leigh:
PS What can anyone learn by listening to two blind men debate re: as Alex notes quote "...a Calvanist debate a christian..." over what they can "see" ;D ;)

rjsurfs:

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Amen Sister!

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