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FOUNDATIONAL TRUTHS . . . . . . . . . . . Biblestudy Feb. 2008
« on: February 13, 2008, 07:58:06 PM »

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                                                        FOUNDATIONAL TRUTHS
                                              [How much truth does it take to set one FREE?]

Those articles on my site, there are 24 installments in the Lake of Fire, about 28-45 pages long each. But they need to be that long, because I need to cover that material in detail so people wonít come back and say, Ďwell what about this? I see you didnít cover that.í Yes I did. It would be hard to find some major thing in any article and say, Ďwell you didnít cover this.í Yes I did. 

So Iím thinking that some of the Bible studies (which are for the forum because we put them on the forum), need to be a little bit more simple. I need to just get across a couple of profound points or something. 

So I was thinking about how people read my stuff. You know they will spend hours reading it and looking up the Scriptures and then they say Ďthatís it, Ray doesnít lie.í But they could never do that themselves. Some people feel, Ďwell I wish I could teach like Ray or understand it or at least answer questions to somebody when it comes up. Because I canít remember these 2000 pages of stuff that Ray has.í 

Well itís there, so you can look it up you know. Say if you want to know about sheol, Iíve got 2 papers, 30 pages each or more and you can look up any detail or any verse that contains that word and itís there. But still itís too much for a lot of people. People have asked me, Ďcanít you just write a summary of all your papers?í No, I can not. I absolutely can not and I will not. 

Todayís lesson is going to be one thing, one idea. I wanted it to be something that will be really helpful to you. I titled it Foundational Truths, how much truth do you need to set one free? In John it says;

John 8:32  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Thatís what Christ said. Well how much truth do you need? I mean do you have to go 10 years of studying the Bible and then you are about half free? This is talking about freedom in your mind, of not being really apprehensive about what God is like or what happens after death. I mean having a clear picture of this and being free in your mind. This is what people email me about all the time. 

I get hundreds and thousands of emails that say, ĎIím so confused, I feared for my Uncle Harry, I loved him so much, but he was an alcoholic and he died that way. At the funeral the Pastor said he was going to hell. What? Then they go on to say... I read your paper and it was like this giant load was lifted off. I saw in the Scriptures for the first time that God isnít going to burn anybody in hell for all eternity.í

So I want to give you enough information so that, on a rather simplistic level, you can take on any and all comers, TV preachers or people, you know. Because a lot of us run into people who will argue about Scripture and say, Ďyes God is going to torture people, because it says so.í 

Is there a way to learn how to overcome virtually all of these hundreds of Scriptures that they throw at you? I think there is. Thatís what todayís study is all about.
 
So many of the doctrines of the church contradict each other, they contradict God, they contradict the Scriptures. They donít care, I mean even a good friend I had 2 years ago, stated that the Scriptures are full of contradictions. No they're not! I have answered a few of those.

Now you donít need to be a scholar and you donít even need to be super intelligent. You donít need any of those things to understand a truth. Now here is a good Scripture.

Luke 10:21  In that hour Ö

That hour happened to be when Christ sent out His disciples. He said, if these people would have demons to cast them out and if they are sick to heal them and to teach them about the kingdom of God.  And when they returned; 

Luke 10:21 ÖJesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You hast hid these things from the wise and prudent (now He's talking about the religious leaders, the Scribes, the Pharisees, the Zealots and all those), and hast revealed them unto babesÖ

That word "babes" doesnĎt mean babies. In the Greek babes means minors, like teenagers - young people or an older person, but one that is not formally educated and learned in a lot of things.

Luke 10:21 Öeven so, Father; for so it seemed good in Your sight.

So in fact it is better if you are not too smart and not too successful if you want to understand the Scripture. Why is that? Because this is what we read in I Corinthians.

1 Cor 1:26  For ye see your calling, brethren (he is talking to the church at Corinth and he said look at yourselves), how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

Okay you see your calling and not many of thoseÖ

1 Cor 1:27  But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

Now why does God do it this way? Well thatís just the way God does things. He likes to do things that way. He likes to make big things out of little things.

1 Cor 1:28  And base things of the world, and things (heís talking about people not physical things) which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not (in other words, if we say it in the vernacular - those that are nobodies, the absolute nobodies), to bring to naught things that are:

The reason for all this? Next verseÖ

1 Cor 1:29  That no flesh should glory in His presence.

One of the requirements to follow God properly is to be humble. It doesnít mean you have to be weak livered, shy, bashful or insecure it doesnít mean any of those things. It just means humble, know who and what you are, we are FLESH! We start out carnal flesh, carnal and fleshly - meat - Chili Con Carne - Chili with meat - carnal. 

We read in Romans 8 that the carnal mind, the way you think with the natural mind, is enmity against God or doesnít like God. When you want to do a lot of dirty nasty things, when you want to lie and cheat other people, when you want to be a drunkard or be on drugs or whatever you want to do. You donít want to be thinking about God when you do those things. Why? Itís uncomfortable! It says with such a mind you are not subject to the laws of God.

Rom 8:7  Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

So you wonít obey the laws of God; donít lie, donít cheat, donít fornicate, donít murder, donít dishonor your parents, donít lust after your neighbors thingsÖ You wonít want to keep those laws and in fact it says, you are not even able to. I mean you couldnít even if you wanted to. You have to have a change in heart and a change of mind. So I think most of us in here can probably identify with the fact that we are not that smart, we are not that wise, weíre not the great leaders and the intelligence of this world. 

I mean people laugh at me, for example they say, Ďoh you think you know it all.í No I donít. They say, Ďyou think you are such a expert on Hebrew and Greek.í I donít know anything about Hebrew and Greek. They say, Ďwell you thinkÖí No I donít. It makes you feel good to think so or say it, because then you think you can put me down. You read my credentials, they are right there on the front page of my site - retired roofer. Those are my credentials, Iím a retired roofer and they hate that. Why? Because they want to put me down, but Iíve already put myself down. I mean I could say that Iím just a rooferís helper, that would put me down a little bit more, you know. 

So look at us, most of us, even though maybe we are doing pretty good right now or whatever, most of us were probably failure most of our lives, were we not? It was just wine, women and song and just have a happy happy happy, who cares where the chips may fall. 

You look at the people who come and acknowledge these Truths and there are many now. I mean we get thousands of emails and you donít hear about many of them. They may write one email after a year or two, they will say, Ďyou have turned my life upside down and totally turned it around. Iím not the same person anymore and Iím not fearful anymore. I donít coward under all these religious things. I feel better about my wife and my children and all these things.í So they are out there. People are being helped. 


                                                         PRINCIPLE TO ALL THE PARABLES

Now I want to zero in on a principle here that will help us understand a whole lot more than we think we do. But when you get all bogged down with thisÖ so much knowledge and so many pages to learn, youíve got to come back to this principle. You can grow from there, but come back to this foundation. Because thatís where you are building, you are building on the foundation.

So how many parables must we know in order to know all parables? Christ said in Mark 4.

Mark 4:13  And He said unto them, Know ye not THIS parable? (or do you understand the meaning of this parable, obviously they did not, because they ask Him what does it mean) and how then will ye know all parables?

There is a real key teaching. If you donít understand this parable, He says how can you understand the rest of them? But on the other hand, if you do understand this parable you can understand the rest of them. You only need to understand one really well and you know them ALL.

How many of these pages are taken up with parables? Maybe not all of these parables, but there is the kingdom too. He said the kingdom of God is like thisÖ Itís like a man who went out and purchased a field, because there was hidden treasure there and then he dug and he found that treasure.

Then the kingdom of God is like a merchant who sold everything he had for that one pearl of great price, like the hope diamond, that really big one you know.
 
He doesnít explain that stuff. Does He explain what all of that means every time He says it? No He doesnít. People think this is all different things. All these aspects, ITíS ALL THE SAME THING! This is a marvelous revelation when I saw this and nobody told me. 

The parables are all talking about the same thing. If you understand that, you should understand that the two in the field and the two women grinding at the mill can not be one and the same person. I mean we are getting into a kind of trinity here. 

So what are the parables all about? Well letís read the one where He said if you know this one, then you know them all. These are like all encompassing, because they deal with the same thing. Okay up above this in Mark He gives the parable, so lets read it.

Mark 4:2  And He taught them many things by parables, and said unto them in His doctrine,

He said this is "His doctrine" - the religious beliefs or what we call in the church, doctrines. These are the main important things and you can find those in the parables.

Mark 4:3  Listen! Behold, there went out a sower to sow:
v. 4  And it came to pass, as he sowed, some (seeds) fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.
v. 5  And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth:
v. 6  But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away.
v. 7  And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit.
v. 8  And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some a hundred.

So here is the parable. What in the world does it mean? Now Iíve taught that all parables are not all literally true. If they were they would be stories or historical accounts, not parables. A parable in the old English means a near story. A story about something, but itís not the truth, itís like a story of something that happened, but it is only near to it

So there is something here, but Jesus Christ is not saying that there was a sower out on a farm who took wheat seeds or whatever and went out and sowed it in the ground. The parable is not about that. Heís not talking about a farmer, Heís not talking about seed, Heís not talking about birds, Heís not talking about stones, Heís not talking about any of those things. Then why does He make a parable out of it? Because there is a connection. Itís got to be some kind of connection between the symbol and what it symbolizes or why would you use it in the first place. There has got to be a connection. 

Well now they didnít understand. Now He is going to explain it, He said becauseÖ

Mark 4:11  ÖUnto YOU it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
 
Well wait a minute we have just learned something all over there again. What are the parables about? The called and the chosen, the many and the few.

Now what did He say there? He just told us that, did you get it or did you just read over it and you missed it? Read it again. How many times have you read that and you missed it. YOU are the few chosen, YOU will understand these things. "Without" I teach in parables, the many hear Me, but THEY donít get it. 

Mark 4:12  That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand;

So there is your two groups. This is not talking about the same person being split down the middle or something. This is talking about the called and the chosen. 
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Now He goes on and He says.

Mark 4:13  And He said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?
v. 14  The sower sows the word.

Back up in verse 4, He said the sower sows the seed. Now the seed is no longer the seed. Guess what it is? Itís the Word. The sower sows the Word.

Mark 4:15  And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediatelyÖ

Well thatís not what He said up there, He said the fowl of the air come and devour it. Fowl are always likened to evil spirits or Satan. You read about the birds and the fowls in the book of Revelation. Those are always evil spirits and Satan. The birds represent Satan.

Mark 4:15 Öand takes away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Not in the groundÖ we went from seed in the ground to the Word in your heart.

Mark 4:16  And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
v. 17  And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution arises for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

So you see, this is what this parable is all about.

Mark 4:18  And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,
v. 19  And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in (and what happened?), choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.

So it chokes the Word and you canít produce any fruit. It chokes you, these other things.

v. 20  And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirty fold, some sixty, and some a hundred.


                   THE PARABLES REPERSENT TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS  

You have the many called, they hear the call and some of them accept it and they follow it for a while. They do all these things, but they donít produce the fruits. They never get rid of the carnal mind and they never produce the fruits that are mentioned in Galatians 6, love, peace, joy, goodness, faithfulness and all these things. Now that explains what all the parables are about.

Havenít you read the one about the dragnet? You bring in the net, right and those that are without, are those thrown out. The good fish and see we have the good ground. The word going to the good ground and what is the good ground? The good people, you have the good fish, those that you take in the basket and keep.  

Now Iím not going to go through all the parables today, I have another point in mind. But the principle fits here and thatís why I want to start off with the parables. There are about 40 parables in the New Testament. It starts off with the lamp under the bushel/basket, then you have the wise man, the two men in the bed. It doesnít mean there are just these two, itís just two categories.
 
One builds his house upon the rock and the other one builds his house on the sand. This is not the same man, presented by the two men. Now itís true that we can go from one to the other, but most of the parables present them at the same time. You canít do it at the same time. There is a transition where you repent and you are converted and you become the new person and you leave the other one behind. The other one does not follow with equal stature from then on. If it does you are not producing fruit and you are not going anywhere.

So there are two different groups throughout the parables. You have the new wine and the old wine skins. the sower that we just went through with the sower. You have the tares and the wheat.

The tares and the wheat are growing together, but they are not the same. Because those that are the tares will be thrown into fire. You can not be gathered into the barn and thrown into the fire at the same time. People will not be in the kingdom of God and in the fire at the same time. There comes a part where you separate these two and that happens at resurrection. Those that enter the kingdom and those that are without and are going to be judged.  

Sometimes a parable will emphasize the Elect, sometimes it puts emphasis on the many. But the opposite is always in view. They talk about the bad, but that doesnít negate the fact that this is the opposite of those that are good.

We went through the dragnet. There is the lost sheep. You have 100 sheep and the 99 are the many. But the lose one, thatís the one God goes over to. Why? Because Christ said that He came to save that which is lost.  

The two sons, the wicked wine dresser, the wedding feast. You have those that have their garment cleaned for a proper wedding garment and then you have them out in the way, the people who come with dirty clothes, signifying unrighteousness. They canít come in.

The many and the few, they are through every parable. The wise and the foolish virgins, weíve talk about that. The growing seed, the absent house holder, the creditor and the two debtors, the good Samaritan. You have those that will come to the rescue, to help somebody. I mean you had the many that went by and the one, the good Samaritan, heís the one that stopped, heís the Elect.  

Even the rich fool which emphasizes the negative side. When Christ explains what took place He brings in the Elect side, which he had turned away from. The faithful and the wise servant, the great supper, the lost coin, the lost son, the lost sheep, the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man represents a group and Lazarus represents another group. But anyway you can go through all of the parables and you will see that is true.

I want to show that you donít have to have that many foundational Truths, if you know how to use the couple that you have.

Itís like if you have just a select number of tools, a hammer, a saw, a screw driverÖ say you could have 7 tools and you could build a whole house with those tools. You could have only 7 tools and you could come up with 7. Although the average house is built with maybe 100 or more tools at least. Every trade has a bucket full of 30-40-50 tools. But you would need an adjustable wrench, something to cut with maybe like a saw or knife, a hammer, a screw driverÖ but you could probably come up with 7 tools to build a house.


                                         GOD DOES NOT LIE!  

Letís go through just one major point here about God and His work.  Now Iím assuming that we accept the fact that there is a God. But first you have to accept that there is a creation and there is a Creator of the creation. Iím assuming that we all believe that there is a God of the creation.  

Iíll ask the question here, does God lie? I want to give you this verse in the Concordant in Titus, because it really is worded properly.

Titus 1:2  in expectation of life eonian, which God, Who does not lie, promises before times eonian, (CLV)

The King James says, ďGod, that cannot lie.Ē But that is not what it means, thatís not what it says. It doesnít say in the Greek that He 'cannot' lie, it says "does" not. Itís a negative, canít - donít. But itís not that He canít, but He doesnít. God doesnít lie.

Num 23:19  God is not a man, that He should lie;

1 Sam 15:29  And also the Strength of Israel will not lieÖ

That is in a capital, it is talking about God. This is a Truth! You got to hang onto that. Under no circumstances can you ever let go of that Truth, itís paramount. If you believe that God lies, then you might as well throw your Bible away. You might as well throw your religion away. This is paramount!

You say, Ďwell teach me something new Ray, teach me something I need to know. Teach me something the whole church doesnít know or believe.í I am, they DONíT believe this. Thatís why Iím telling you, you must believe this.
G o d   d o e s   n o t   l i e.


                                  GODíS WORD DOES NOT LIE!

John 17:17  Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy WORD is truth.

John 10:35  Öand the SCRIPTURE cannot be broken;

2 Tim 3:16  ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

So the Scripture are true. They are true and they canít be broken and they are written through the inspiration of God, who does not lie. Now have you got that point in your mind? Donít ever lose that. This is your salvation, when it comes to you understanding the Scriptures and/or teaching others to understand the Scriptures or exposing those who contradict themselves.

We can now apply this TRUTH to ALL Scriptures. With just that Truth we can confound the mighty of this world and Iíll show you how to do it. This is not going to be a difficult study. But it is going to be maybe one of the most profound studies Iíve ever given.  


                             SEVEN [7] FOUNDATIONAL SCRIPTURES

Now I'm going to give you seven Scriptures that talks about really important things and I have several that eludes to the salvation of the human race. Because what is more important than that? Whatís more important to a human being than to think that God, since He brought us into existence, we will always be in existence. Even when we die He is going to bring us back. If He brought us here in the first place, then He can bring us back. This is not hard, not for God.

[1]  1 John 4:14  And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

I never forgot that Scripture. First time I saw that I memorized it and I never forgot it. I never had to look it up again, I knew where it was, 1 John 4:14. Also 1 John 4:8 ďÖfor God is love.Ē Remember these.

[2]  1 Tim 2:4  God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Youíre got to believe that. Maybe you should cut these out and stick them in your Bible or something.

[3]  1 Tim 4:10  For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living GOD, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those that believe.

Phil 2:13  For it is GOD which works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure.

Do you see free will in there any place? Who is it that brings about what is your will and what you will do?  GOD!

[4]  2 Peter 3:9  The Lord isÖ NOT WILLING that ANY should perish (well how is He going to keep them from perishing?...), but that all should come to repentance.

Here is a negative thought - "not willing." Now this is the will of God and this is important. Godís will is that no one should perishÖ NO ONE! Not Adolf Hitler, not Osama Bin Laden, no one. But they all have to repent.
  
You say, Ďwell theyíre already dead Ray.í Thatís right, but they are coming back in judgment and they have to repent. Why? Because God does not want them to perish.

Now we are going to see what theologians do with these verses and what you canít ever do with these verses. Because this is Truth, God does not will - Heís not willing - He does not want - He has no such desire - He takes no pleasure in any perishing. But He is going to have them all repent.

[5]  Isa 46:10  Declaring the end from the beginning (speaking of God), and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure:

What an important verse. Now do you believe it? Can you believe it and will you continue to believe it? If there is anything in Godís Word where He says, this is what I want - this is what I desire - this is one of My pleasures - this is one of the things Iím going to bring aboutÖ Will it have to be brought about? Thatís what God says, ďMy counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure.Ē  I WILL do it. I mean you can bring in more Scripture, like the Lordís prayer.

Luke 11:2  ÖOur Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will BE done, as in heaven, so in earth.

"THY WILL BE DONE!" See, no ifs ands or maybes. So when you have these people who say, Ďwell yeah, God kind of wishes that things would be better, they just are not.í Nonsense.

[6]  1 John 4:8  He that loves not knows not God (why?...); for God is love.
Very profound statement, itís the Truth and youíve got to believe it.  

[7]  1 Cor 13:8 Love NEVER FAILSÖ

You might kill the person who is doing the loving, but the love still isnít going to fail. "LOVE NEVER FAILS."

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Now there are the seven Scriptures. Are these Scriptures true or are they lies? How do we know they are true?
  
Well first of all we read that Godís Word is Truth (John 17:17), and the Scripture is given by inspiration of God (2 Tim. 3:16) and God does not lie (Titus 1:2). So donít these seven Scriptures have to be true?  

Can there be any possible exception that these Scriptures are not true? If any one of these Scriptures is not true, then God is a liar and these Scriptures are not given by inspiration of God. Then whatever God wants and desires will not come to pass. So these Scriptures have to be true!  

Do Christians teachers, Pastors and Theologians tell the world that these Scriptures that I just gave you are true? Excuse me, I speak as a fool. When have you ever heard Kennedy, Hagee, Benny Henn, Paula White, Jakes, Oral Roberts or any of them, when have you ever heard them give a sermon that God is going to save the whole world? That none will perish and that God will bring all to repentance according to these seven verses, when have you ever? You have never. When will you ever here them? You will never.  

You can go to the 500-600 churches all through Mobile and you will never hear a sermon given on one of those seven Scriptures and for them to tell you that that Scripture is true and it can not be broken. In a hundred years in Mobile and all of these congregations, not one, well it could have been one, but I certainly donít know of any. Letís say not Orthodox Christians, if itís a you know Baptist, Presbyterians, Episcopalians or whatever, then they never have. But you will never hear them quote one of those Scriptures and tell you that that Scripture is true and can never under any circumstances fail or God will be a liar and His Word will not be true and the Scripture can be broken. I hope Iím not going to fast for anybody. So no you will never hear them teach these things and tell you that this Scripture is true.  

You might say, íwell what about, God is love?í Excuse me, what does love mean? I mean look it up in Strongís Concordance, look it up in a Russian dictionary, a Chinese dictionary or in five English dictionaries and you will find out what love is. No where in any of them will you find that love is a desire, a deep seated desire to torture people in fire. Are you following what I am saying?  Do you understand how you can stand up to anybody who is a lying two faced hypocrite and tries to tell you that the Word of God is not true?  

Why donít they teach on these Scriptures? Because they teach on other Scripture, that if you corner them they will tell you that those Scriptures contradict the seven that I just gave you. They say, Ďthese are just weak wishes and fantasies that God has, but it will never come to pass.í Because they have those other Scriptures that what? Contradict them. 

Wow, this is just amazing stuff! They have all those other Scriptures. All day long for eight years now, I answer emailsÖ Contradictions, itís all about contradictions. ĎWell Ray you saidÖí I write them back, no I didnít said. Excuse me, but didnít you see me quote a Scripture where I said that? Donít you say L. Ray Smith said, he did not said, the Scripture said.

You see how they twist things? They lie and distort things. I quote what God says. I believe these Scriptures. But not only do I believe them, I apply them to every page of the Bible. That is the only way that you will ever understand what the Bible is talking about.  


                                   ETERNITY IN THE SCRIPTURE

What are some of the Scriptures that theologians and these carnival auctioneers on television quote, to show that these Scriptures are not true? The ones that they use to tell you that God wonít save all of humanity, you know the ones about suffering hell fire for all eternity or whatever. But you donít find that in all Bibles, eternity - everlasting and so on. So if itís not even Scripture, there is no need to quote something that is not Scripture.  

So you have everything from Rotherhamís and Youngís to the Emphatic Diaglott, Concordant Version and so on. Some of these have great scholars behind those translations. You donít have a forever and ever and everlasting. Why? Because there is no word in the Bible that can be translated forever - ever and ever - always - evermore - everlasting - eternal, there is no such word.  

Alexander Thompson investigated this word, he was that great scholar from Scotland. He said no etymologist has ever found a word in any language on earth, that meant that the word itself meant endless time. Not any language on earth until the second century A.D. Guess what? By then the Scriptures were finished. They were already written. So there is no word in the Bible that stands for endless time - eternity - ever more - everlasting and all of that nonsense, showing that judgment is for eternity. No it is not.

Well do we have a promise of life that doesnít end? Yes, but it isnít through the use of one of those forever and ever ever more words. We are to be given immortality and that word means deathlessness. You never die when you are given deathlessness - immortality.  

But now I said there is one technical point in here and that is in addition to everything else Iím talking about here today on this major idea. It is good if you understand that the Greek word aionion does not mean forever - evermore - everlasting - eternal. But you will have to spend a little time studying that and I have a whole article on it. But you need to have that one technical point, so that if somebody says, Ďoh well it says here that they shall be punished forever more.í Evermore/everlasting is aionios and itís not punishment. The proper word is chastisement.  

When you chastise somebody you are not just punishing them because you are angry at them or your exacting vengeance on them. Chastisement has to do with how you rear up a child. You chasten them and you might even hit them on their bottom and it hurts. But it isnít because you want to hurt them and make them hate you and you are doing it because you hate them. No, itís to teach them how to be good. You have a good purpose for it. So itís a good purpose chastening. Thatís what, if you want to paraphrase it, that it should read, not everlasting punishment. All the better translations do translate it properly.


                                     HOW TO GIVE AN ANSWER

Now I said you are going to learn something today and Iím getting to it. Weíve partly got to it, but not completely.  

So I just read you seven profound Scriptures. God is not willing that any should perishÖ God's will is that all should be savedÖ God has commissioned His Son to be Savior of the worldÖ God is loveÖ love never failsÖ God will do all of His pleasureÖ We read those Scriptures, right.  

Now here is the thing, when somebody tries to show you, 'oh yeah He has a desire that all people will be saved. He has the desire. Itís just that it wonít happen.' Of course the main reason is because He gave man free will and they will not all freely choose Him. So God will have to torture them for all eternity. Donít get sucked into that.  

I mean maybe when you become really mature in the Scriptures you can allow them to go there and talk to them. But Iím telling you right here today, donít get sucked into those arguments. These ministers of the worldÖ when people who have a fairly good education in the Scriptures, they will eat you for lunch.  

I have people all day long that send me emails and say, ĎRay Iím in trouble, I went to my minister and told him he was a stupid SOB and the Scriptures said this. Well he said that and now Iím in trouble. Iím going to see him again tomorrow and Iíve got to know how to answer him Ray.í Well I say youíve made your bed, now sleep in it. Sometimes Iíll give them a little information. But a lot of times I say, no, I am not going to teach you how to make a fool out of your minister. Your minister is going to make a fool out of you, because your attitude is wrong. God doesnít teach us these Truths so we can go out and make fools out of people.  

So hereís what you do and hereís what you think, if you are talking to someone this is what you say. If you have already established that you believe these seven verses that I gave you. Now if they say something like, Ďyeah but what about this over here?í You say, Ďwait a minute, I just read you Scriptures that made a profound statement and one of them was that "GOD DOES NOT LIE" (Titus 1:2). Now does any Scripture state that God DOES lie?í

Donít let them suck you into their train of thinking. You take control. Say, ĎIs there a Scripture that says, God does lie? Is there? Well is there a Scripture the says God does not lie? Yes. Then if all Scripture is true, which one is true? The Scripture that doesnít exist or the one that does exist? The one that says God does not lie, is the Truth.í
 
Is there a Scripture that says that the Scripture are NOT inspired of God? Is there such a Scripture? No. Well then donít let anybody take you someplace and quote you something that they say contradicts that Scripture. Donít go there. You can say, Ďlook I believe this Scriptures. Now do you have one that says the Scriptures are NOT inspired of God? Do you have a verse like that? No. Well forget it, our argument is over.í  

Is there a Scripture that says God's Word is NOT true? If they want to take you some place that contradicts one of those seven Scripture, which are true, then there canít be a Scripture that says one of those Scriptures is NOT true. If there is no such Scripture and they say, Ďyeah but this oneÖí Just say, ĎI understand that you do not understand that Scripture. But it does not contradict the Scripture that says Godís Word is Truth. Regardless of what you think it implies or might mean or this or that. It does not say that Godís Word is not Truth does it? No. Well then do we have a Scripture that says God Word is Truth? Yes. Then you canít have a Scripture that contradicts that.í

See you canít have a Scripture that suggests sometimes under certain circumstances, that there are times or places where Godís Word is not true. No! So donít go there.  

You can say, ĎIs there a Scripture that God does NOT wish - care - please - want to - desire - wishes or any word that you want to say, that all men be saved? Is there a Scripture that says that? No. Well if you canít show me a Scripture that says He doesnít want all men to be saved, then you try to tell me the one that says He does want them saved, is a lie. Donít you go there with me. Thatís the true Scripture.í
  
If he has no Scripture that says God doesnít desire or wish or want or please that all men be saved, itís because there is no such Scripture. But if he tries to come up with anything that contradicts it... it canít, because we have a plain statement.  

Is there a Scripture that says the Son will NOT be the Savior of the world? God the Father commissioned Jesus Christ in 1 John 4 to BE the Savior of the world. 

1John 4:14  And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

Now is there a Scripture that says God did NOT commission Him or that He will NOT be the Savior of the world? Is the such a Scripture? So then donít let anybody take you somewhere to some Scripture, that they think contradicts this Truth. Donít go there!  

Say, Ďyouíre dead in the water. Because Iíve got a Scripture of Truth and the only way you can tell me that it is not true, is if you contradict it. If it contradicts, then the Word of God is not true, it is not inspired and God is a liar. Iím not going there with you.í
  
Do we have a Scripture that says that the Scripture we have just read CAN be broken? You know we read one that said the Scripture CAN NOT be broken.

John 10:35  If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;

So do we have one that says, well under certain circumstances it can? Can Godís laws be broken? Absolutely. Can the Scripture be broken? The Bible says no. So donít try to give me some Scripture where you think, Ďwell yeah they shall perish.í God says He is going to save them and itís His will - itís His pleasure - itís His wish - itís a desire - He is going to fulfill all His wishes, all His pleasures, all His desires and He will save them. So say, Ďdonít try to show me a Scripture that contradicts that. There are no Scriptures that contradict that.í If they say, Ďwell it sounds like it.í You say, 'well it sounds like it because you donít understand the Scripture that you are reading. You donít even believe the simple ones that I just showed you.í
 
Is this easy for you now? Are you getting it? Does it make sense? Do you have to be a scholar, a theologian? Do you have to know Hebrew and Greek to understand what I am telling you? Itís simple.

Do we have a Scripture that in the judgment God will change His mind and will desire that most of humanity will NOT repent and will perish? Come on, we just read, He is not willing that ANY should perish, but they ALL come to repentance. Is there a Scripture that says, He is NOT willing that all come to repentance and He in fact, at judgment will wish and will and desire and perish most of humanity in torture for all eternity? 

Do you see what I am saying? If you believe the Scripture, those seven Scripture that I gave you. Now we can expand them, but with just those seven you can counter anything, in the Scripture. There is no false doctrine that you canít counter with one of those seven points. Nothing.  

You say, íwhat about the trinity?í Thy Word is Truth, is there a Scripture that says that God is made up of three people? No. Then you donít have a Scripture for that. ĎNo, but it says back in Hebrews Elohim, and thatís in the plural, so thatís the trinity.í Excuse me, if something is in the plural does that mean three? If I say I have eggs in the refrigerator, do you automatically think I have three? If I say I have dollars in my pocket, is it three? I could have two or ten thousand.
  
I get emails that say, ĎRay itís in the plural, canít you see it, God is in the plural, thatís the trinity.í I say I donít see three in there any where. Look it up in Hebrews, look it up in the dictionary. Elohim does not mean three persons.  

So maybe God doesnít lie and everything that God says is true and the problem is with His Son and Jesus Christ failed to do what He said. You see God the Father is not here on earth, nor was He at the time of Christís ministry actually speaking in the first person (Father), to the people and the Pharisees. He did it all through His Son. 

So maybe His Son screwed up? Maybe itís not the Fatherís fault, maybe itís Christís fault? Well letís see if Christ failed to do what His Father sent Him to do.

John 8:29  And He (the Father) that sent Me (Jesus) is with Me: the Father hath not left Me alone; for I do always those things that please Him.

There it is. Well what are you going to do with that? What is Godís good pleasure? What is it He desires? That all men be saved! What is it He doesnít desire? That any should perish! How is He going to accomplish this? By sending Jesus Christ to be the Savior of the whole world. Is Jesus Christ going to do what His Father said? I do always what My Father said. See that!  

John 4:34  Jesus said unto them, My meat is to DO THE WILL OF HIM THAT SENT ME, AND TO F I N I S H HIS WORK.

Whatever God the Father sent Him to do, He will "finish" it. What is the big commission? 1 John 4:14, God commissioned Christ, His Son to be the Savior of the world. So anyone who tries to tell you that any of those seven Scriptures and have contradictory Scripture, he is a lying two faced hypocrite and a charlatan.

So did you get the point of how you approach all the false doctrines and the heresy and everything else? You get a couple of Scriptures in your mind that are true. "God does not lie" (Titus 1:2). I mean you canít twist that into sometimes He does.

He "is not willing that ANY should perish" (2Peter 3:9), can not be twisted into... but He will cause to perish almost everybody. You canít do that. How do you twist the Scripture into that?  

"I will do ALL My pleasure" (Isa 46:10), how do you twist that into... I will only get a fraction of My pleasure accomplished.  

How do you twist I always do My Fatherís will, I will do the work of God, how do you twist that into - Iíll do the best I can, but with manís free will itís going to be mostly a failure. You canít twist those Scriptures into saying that and if you canít, then theyíre true. When theyíre true you donít have another Scripture that contradicts any of those.  
That will lay to rest the entire doctrine of Christendom. Every major evil doctrine in the church is laid to rest, just believing those seven Scripture.  

You need to learn as many key verses as you can, but you donít have to learn fifty. A lot of times Iíll have a subject in my mind and Iíll be flooded with this verse and that one from Deuteronomy to II Kings and Psalms and over in Job and then Christ mentioned it in John and Paul picked up on it and then Peter. But you donít have to know all that stuff. Just for every major idea or doctrine have a key, just one key Scripture.  
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                          SCRIPTURAL PROOF THERE IS NO TRINITY

My starting point with the trinity has always been two Scriptures. Is God a trinity? Is the Holy Spirit a person, separate from Jesus Christ and separate from the Father? I have two Scriptures and you should mark them in your Bible or put them in your notes or something.

Matt 1:20 Öfor that which is conceived in her (Mary) is of the HOLY SPIRIT.

What caused Mary to conceive the Child, Jesus Christ? What? The HOLY SPIRIT. Is that a separate person from His God and Father? Well if He was conceived by the Holy Spirit whose Son was He?  

If I cause a woman to conceive, when the child is born guess whoís the father of that son? Me, not somebody else. One man canít cause a woman to conceive a child in her womb and then when itís born, itís the child of some other man, I mean in the flesh. Thatís a total biological impossibility. Whoever conceives the child is the Father of the child.

Now who conceived Jesus Christ in His motherís womb? The Holy Spirit. Then when Christ was born whose Son was He? One more Scripture;

2 John 1:3  Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, THE SON OF THE FATHER, in truth and love.

It took me a couple of years to find that verse, because I checked several times and I couldnít find a verse that said that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Father. You know you find all kinds of verses about the Father, but I couldnít find one that actually came right out and said it. Then one day I found it.  

So Jesus Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit and He is the Son of the Father. He is not the Son of the Holy Spirit. Therefore the Holy Spirit is not a person. You donít need to know anything else about the trinity. Thatís it, the trinity falls right there. Itís finished, itís dead in the water. Can you see that?


                                      THE STATE OF THE DEAD

Psa 146:4  His breath goes forth, he returns to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Ecc 9:10  Öfor there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goes.

In that day "his thoughts perish," there is no thoughts, there is no knowledge or device or anything in the grave. But there is more, here is one that I just like, because it is just so clear. This is the state of the deadÖ

Ecc 9:5  For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anythingÖ

ďFor the living know that they shall die,Ē all people know that they will die, thatís a conscience knowledge, right? They say nothing is more sure than what? Death... and taxes. Everybody knows that sooner or later they will die. We know that our pets will die. We know that our loved ones will die and we know that we will die. We know that, when we are alive we know that.  

ďBut the dead know not anything.Ē Now that is a clear verse. It doesnít even just say, they donít know anything, but it says the "LIVING KNOW." Now you have a contrast. The living know, they have conscience thoughts and they know. But when you die you donít have any conscience thoughts of anything. That is a profound statement. That is a Scripture.
 
The Bible tells us all Scripture is given by inspiration of God and God doesnít lie (Titus 1:2).
 
Now what is the state of the dead? The dead donít know anything. Now it doesnít say that their dead bodies donít know anything, but they - the dead, the one that was alive, is now the one that is dead. When he was alive he knew things, when he dies he doesnít know anything.  

Now I had someone send me an email this week, I had a bunch of emails like this one this week. But this lady sent me an email and she was distraughtÖ ĎI know from your teaching, I know what it says, Iíve read the Scriptures. But then I read this Scripture in Acts 2:24.í  

She was upset, she knew what the Scripture says, but now here is a contradiction. She says, Ďnow I am beginning to think maybe there is pain, because it says, ďGod will loose Christ from the pain of death.Ē So when He was dead He must have been in pain.í

Is that what it says? Hereís another thing if somebody does get you off on another Scripture. This person was sincere, and so Iíll answer sincerely. The answer is very simple, but you need to turn around a Scripture on anybody.

Just like you should say, Ďdo you have a Scripture that says God wonít save everybody? Oh you donít, well then donít try to show me a Scripture that you think insinuates that God will not save everybody.í Do you see what Iím saying? 

So then you could say, do you have a Scripture that says He wonít save everybody? ĎNo, but this one sounds like it.í It doesnít matter what you think it sounds like, because we have a plain statement that He will save everybody. Now unless the Scripture says in some way, here is an exception to the general rule and that God is only sometimes a liar, only sometimes can His Word be broken, only sometimes He wonít have every wish and pleasure fulfilled... If you canít show that in the Scripture, then donít try to show me some nonsense that contradicts these seven plain declarations of God.

So does this Scripture in Acts 2, where God says, ďhaving loosed the pains of death,Ē does that say in the state of being dead, that He was in pain? Does it say that? No. ĎBut it kind of insinuates that, doesnít it?í My answer would be, NO it doesnít. Not if you are looking at the Scripture word for word and understand that death has three meanings.


                     DEATH = THE ACT OF DYING - CAUSE OF DEATH - DEAD
 
First of all death is the act of dying - the vehicle causing the death - the state of being dead. The word death means all three of those. You can check your dictionary.  
So when it just says Ďdeathí, there is no reason to think, oh itís talking about this death or it has to be that death. It could be or it could be all three at the same time. How is that possible?  

The sea gave up the dead that were in it (Rev. 20:13), in other words humanity gave up all of the spiritual dead people that are not in the first resurrection. Death gave up those that were in it and hades gives up the dead. When you are in hades you are dead, because that is the dead state. Those that are dying, from all humanity out of the sea, guess what? They are all thrown into the Lake of fire, the dying - the cause of death - death itself. That is why we have in I Cor. 15.

1 Cor 15:26  The last enemy being abolished (or destroyed) is DEATH.

The one word covers it all, DEATH. 

Anybody who is in the 'spiritual' state of death, who is physically going towards death.

Death is taking itís toll on people, those that are actually residing in death, in that they have already died. Every form of the word DEATH is going to be abolished. Then there can be no one who is dying or partially dead, like being spiritually dead or in the state of death. Why? Because death itself is going to be abolished.  


                            OTHER EXAMPLES OF SCRIPTURAL KEYS

Youíve got all these Scriptures about fire, punishment, hell and burning and all that stuff. Is there anyway to lump that together or bring that all together under one Scripture or two Scriptures, but the same idea? Is there a way to do that so that all those meanings do not mean that this is a eternity of torture? Is there a way to do that with just one idea, two Scripture with one idea? Any idea on that?  

Okay the two Scriptures and they are easy to remember, 1 Cor. 3:15 and Rev. 20:15, they are both verse 15. They both talk about ďfire.Ē Now they will say, 'well it says the Lake of fire in Revelation, thatĎs eternal torture.í

Rev 20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

But it says "every manís WORK" is going to be tried in that fire, because there is another set of Scriptures in I Cor. 3, it saysÖ

1 Cor 3:15  If any man's WORK shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be SAVED; yet so as by FIRE.

But guess what this one tells us that Revelation doesnít? Thatís how you get SAVED, through the FIRE! Oh yeah you will be put in the fire... ďbut he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.Ē The fire doesnít torture you for all eternity, it will SAVE you!  

Do we have a Scripture that says the fire in Revelation is for all eternity? They will say, Ďwell yeah.í No there isnít, there isnĎt one that says that. ĎWell it says Satan will be tormented day and night forever and ever.í Well now we are back to the definition of aion and aionios you see, because we have a bad translation there. Besides itís talking about Satan, itís not talking about people thrown into fire down below.  


                            THE WORLD WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS

Another favorite Scripture of mine, now there are others that are similar, but there is not any that state it as clearly as Isaiah. Mark this in your Bible and learn it. The idea is that they say, when Godís judgments are in the earth most of the people will not repent and they will perish and be tortured for all eternity, forever and ever and ever in the Lake of fire, the fire that has no quenching and the worm do not die, etcÖ

Do we have a Scripture that says when the judgments of God come to this whole entire world and all the inhabitants of the earth, then those people WILL learn righteousness? Yes we do!

Isa 26:9  With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

You just got to believe that verse! It says the inhabitants of the WORLD. When? "When Thy judgments are in the earth." Now who does that include? You can start spreading out in the Scriptures, but if you donít know, just stick to that Scripture. The WHOLE EARTH, all "the inhabitants of the whole world," to me that is everybody.  

They say, Ďno itís not.í Well to me it is, Iím sorry you are going to have to show me a verse that says, when His judgments are in the earth, NOT all the inhabitants of the whole world will learn righteousness. Do you have a Scripture that says that? ĎNo.í Well then you donít have a Scripture that contradicts that Scripture. If you did we would have to throw the Bible out anyway, because then it wouldnít be true and God would be a liar.  

Are you following, the one principle Iím trying to get across? You only have to know a few key Scriptures and you can put down every evil doctrine in religion, in the church today. Just a couple of Scripture, thatís all you need. But youíve got to believe them and youíve got to stick by them.  

If somebody says, Ďyeah butÖí Yeah but, are you telling me youíve got a Scripture that makes a liar out of this Scripture? That breaks this Scripture? That diminishes from this Scripture? Are you telling me you have a Scripture like that? If you are there is the door and I will not talk to you any longer.  

So you can spread out, but you get that one Scripture you know. Acts 17 comes to mind.  
They say, Ďwas it really talking about the whole world or maybe itís just ďgivenĒ period, when His judgments are in the earth to all the people at that particular time?í For crying out loud, if God can save all the people in the world at any one given time, who are you to say He couldnít do it at some other time too. Itís nonsense.  

Act 17:31  Because He (God) hath appointed a day, in the which He (God) will judge the world in righteousness by that Man (Jesus Christ) whom He hath ordained; whereof He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead.

God is going to send the Man that died for our sins and raised back up from the dead. As an assurance to the people that are being judged you see, that there is a future life for them in righteousness. But first they have to be judged.  

Who is the assurance given to? "ALL men!"  
When is this assurance going to be given to them? In judgment.
  
But what kind of assurance can you give people in judgment? that is IF the assurance is for sure you are going to hell for all eternity? Because if you wasnít (going to hell) you would have already come up in the first resurrection, which you didnítÖ so you are all going to hell? Now how do you like that for the assurance, that is in Christ Jesus?  

Canít you see these things? Boy Iím telling you, learn a couple of things and then stick with it. Donít ever give it up. You will be surprised. Then you canít be pulled aside with every wind of doctrine.  

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