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Soul and Spirit of Man
Gregor:
Greetings Kat,
Yes it was a serious question. I appreciate your thorough answer too.
Blessings,
G.
Evan600:
--- Quote from: Gregor on February 16, 2008, 03:29:19 PM ---Greetings,
According to Ray's email, would this indicate that animals also have soul, that is a spirit combined with a body?
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Hi Gregor,
According to the Scripture, animals ARE souls.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature [H5315, Nephesh] that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
This gets confusing. I'm trying to understand this entire concept of the soul and spirit. Look at Genesis 2:
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath [H5397, neshâmâh] of life; and man became a living soul [H5315, Nephesh].
Man and everything that basically moves, and has flesh, is a soul. They have different flesh as Kat brought out, but they are both souls.
In Christ,
Jason
Evan600:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on February 16, 2008, 01:50:10 PM ---Hi Jason,
Great to see you here! Are you still planning to attend the Conference? Have you ever heard from the other guy (sorry I forgot his name) who ate lunch with us that Sunday?
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Hi Joe!
I am planning on attending this year, Lord willing. I really want to go. The other guy? I'm not sure which guy you're talking about. Do you mean the guy from Chicago?
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on February 16, 2008, 01:50:10 PM ---OK, enough questions. ;)
As far as your question, did you check Strong's because the definition seemed pretty clear, although this one word has a variety of meanings, and if you search "spirit," and "breath" you will find a few Hebrew words are translated into these English words (spirit/breath).[/color]
H7307
רוּח
rûach
roo'-akh
From H7306; wind; by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions): - air, anger, blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest, X vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y).
The above (in bold) seems to fit.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed5301 into his nostrils the breath5397 of life; and man became a living soul.
H5301
נפח
nâphach
naw-fakh'
A primitive root; to puff, in various applications (literally, to inflate, blow hard, scatter, kindle, expire; figuratively, to disesteem): - blow, breath, give up, cause to lose [life], seething, snuff.
This appears to be clear as well.
H5397
נשׁמה
neshâmâh
nesh-aw-maw'
From H5395; a puff, that is, wind, angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect or (concretely) an animal: - blast, (that) breath (-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.
Vital breath, divine inspiration, it works for me as blowing into the nostrils of a clay dummy or statue and it comes to life breathing on it's own is certainly only accomplished by the One who is Divine!
Peace to you Brother,
Joe
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Thanks for this info Joe. I just have a really hard time using Strong's as an authority of definitions of words. It's a good starting place, but I like to find out where these words are used in different verses of Scripture.
Why did they have to use the SAME English word for 2 different Hebrew words? Something that brings more light to the subject is in Proverbs:
Pro 20:27 The spirit [H5397, neshâmâh] of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.
This is the same "breath" that God breaths in man that is His candle.
My biggest question comes from Hebrews.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul [G5590, psuche] and spirit [G4151, pneuma], and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
I appreciate your insight here, but I still cannot seem to wrap this concept around my head totally.
Take care,
Jason
hillsbororiver:
Hi Jason,
Yes, I believe he was from Chicago now that you mention it, we all sat at the same table on the last day of the Conference.
In regard to Hebrews 4:12;
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
The following may not answer your question but this is how I perceive this verse.
When we separate the spirit from the soul what do we have remaining?
The flesh, the carnal nature.
With our heart being deceitful above all things and evil spirits, doctrines, revelations that can appear as angels of light we have the Word of God as our bedrock, our foundation.
Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
I know your question had more to do with the root words regarding spirit/breath but my view encompasses the entire verse, sorry for swerving off the subject at hand.
His Peace to you,
Joe
Kat:
Hi Jason,
Heb. 4:12 I believe is talking about our inner most being. Both the spirit that that gives all living things awareness-life-being, even spirit beings have this. And the soul which I'm thinking is only for physical creators, as angels are never referred to as having a soul. But these words have a close connection in there meaning and so they do overlap in there use in the Scripture to a degree.
But looking at all the ways it is translated gives you a better sense of the word.
I use the 'New American Exhaustive Concordance,' this I find very helpful to see just how the Hebrew and Greek words are used throughout the Scriptures. Maybe this will help.
This shows what word was used for the original and how many times.
soul in the NT
G5590
ψυχή
psuchē; of unc. or.; breath, the soul: - heart (2), heartily (1), life (36), lives (7), mind (1), minds (1), person (1), persons (3), soul (33), souls (14), suspense *(1), thing (1).
spirit in the NT
G4151
πνεῦμα
pneuma; from G4154; wind, spirit: - breath (3), Spirit (239), spirit (103), spirits (32), spiritual (1), wind (1), winds (1).
soul in the OT
H5315
נפשׁ
nephesh (659b); from an unused word; a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion : - any (1), anyone (2), anyone *(1), appetite (7), being (1), beings (3), body (1), breath (1), corpse (2), creature (6), creatures (3), dead (1), dead person (2), deadly (1), death (1), defenseless *(1), desire (12), desire *(2), discontented *(1), endure *(1), feelings (1), fierce *(2), greedy *(1), heart (5), heart’s (2), herself (12), Himself (4), himself (19), human (1), human being (1), hunger (1), life (146), life *(1), lifeblood *(2), lives (34), living creature (1), longing *(1), man (4), man’s (1), men *(2), mind (2), Myself (3), myself (2), number (1), ones (1), others (1), ourselves (3), own (1), passion *(1), people (2), people *(1), perfume *(1), person (68), person *(1), persons (19), slave (1), some (1), soul (238), soul’s (1), souls (12), strength (1), themselves (6), thirst (1), throat (2), will (1), wish (1), wishes (1), yourself (11), yourselves (13).
spirit in the OT
H7307
רוּח
ruach (924c); from an unused word; breath, wind, spirit: - air (2), anger (1), blast (2), breath (31), breathless *(1), cool (1), courage (1), despondency *(1), exposed (1), grief *(1), heart (1), inspired (1), mind (3), motives (1), points (1), quick-tempered *(1), side (4), sides (2), Spirit (76), spirit (127), spirits (3), strength (1), temper (2), thoughts *(1), trustworthy *(1), wind (98), winds (7), windy (2), wrath (1).
I also have the King James Concordance that gives all the Scripture where these words were used, if you need that. (All came from E-Sword)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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