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phazel:

--- Quote from: musicman on February 23, 2008, 09:25:24 PM ---God not willing for anyone to perish, huh?

But I thought that the many will perish before being saved.  Don't we all perish in some way at some time?  This scripture had me perplexed.  Ray even said that Christ came to save those that perish.

But God does not will for anybody to perish.  God does not will for anybody to commit evil acts.  God wills happiness for all.  But first, we must be weak and yes, evil.  I just remembered that purpose and will are two separate things.  God's will is the final outcome for all humanity.

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I think that verse could mean something entirely different if not for the second part.   "all come to repentance"

In one sense a hell believer could say  "Well we do not perish, some will be alive in hell".

But, if we are to all come to repentance that contradicts hell in every way.  Any take on hell is obliterated.

rjsurfs:
Hi Phazel,

I like your thinking and believe you are on to it here.  In our home we just studied this yesterday from LoF part XIV:


A word study will clearly show anyone that Jesus came to SAVE those who are and will be destroyed. And do I have a Scripture on that? I am glad that you asked. Here is a beautiful lesson that will show us just how important it sometimes is to know from what original word a word in our English translations came.

Here is the temporary fate of most humanity:

    "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to DESTRUCTION, and many there be which go in thereat" (Matt. 7:13).

Did Jesus come to SAVE all those who enter the broad gate to "destruction?" YES HE DID:

    "For the Son of man is come to SAVE that which was LOST" (Matt. 18:11)!

There it is!

There is what? Where does that verse say that Jesus came to "SAVE that which was DESTROYED?" Why right in the verse, of course. You see, the New Testament was written in GREEK, and in Greek, here is what Matt. 18:11 says: "For the Son of man is come to SAVE that which was apollumi." And just what does apollumi mean in English? Strong’s Greek Dictionary of the New Testament: "#622 {92x} apollumi to destroy, to perish, or lose" (page 37). Ninety-two times in the New Testament we read of "destroy, destruction, destroyed/perish, perishing, perished/lose and lost, and they are all translated from the same one word, apollumi! So whether one is destroyed, perished, or lost, it matters not to Jesus—HE SAVES THEM ALL!

Old Testament too:

    "O Israel, you have DESTROYED yourself; but in Me is your help… I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death…" (Hosea 13:7 & 14)!

    "The righteous PERISH, and no man lays it to heart…" (Isa. 57:1)

And concerning lost Israel God says,

    "I will seek that which was LOST, and bring again that which was driven away…" (Ezek. 34:16).

Amazing grace! How sweet the sound

That saved a wretch like me!

I once was lost [apollumi—lost, perished, destroyed], but now am found;

Was blind, but now I see.

The further I get with my studies I see that destruction, perishing, apollumi, is good and beneficial to me... throughout scripture.  It is being "deceived" that is actually harmful to us.

Bobby

David:
I've had a couple of people ask me similar questions since I left the Church I was in about 9 months ago. Whenever the question of free will comes up, I just give them Ephesians 1 from verse 4 through to 11. For me there is no more profound scripture in the Bible that completely destroys any notion of our free will than these verses.

4According as HE hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

 5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

 6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

 7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

 8Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

 9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

 10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

 11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

I just asked them to show me where in these scriptures we either did anything, or are going to do anything of ourselves, of our own free will? The truth is its all of God, through Christ in us. I was suprised then that they either didn't believe these scriptures, or tried to argue them away. I'm now seeing that what Ray says is the truth, they despise Gods word and have no time or use for it.

Deborah-Leigh:
A precious find David! Thanks for sharing.

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

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