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Deborah-Leigh:
Hi David

I just noticed this verse in your post Quote : Amos 5 : 27Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus,

Interesting that Saul was on his way to Damascus and the Lord stopped him. Saul was on a mission to persecute the followers of Jesus and before he reached Damascus, his journey was interrupted, changed and Saul became Paul. In Amos the Spirit of Christ shows us that there are those who He causes to go BEYOND Damascus and this for me means there are those who go into great campaigns against the followers of Christ. This is in the Plan of God.

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

David:
Hi Samson, thank you for your welcome. I'm looking forward to, and already enjoying much spiritually stimulating fellowship and sharing of the Word here. It truly is a blessing. A very interesting background you have. I've never really bothered to trace my family back any further than my great grandparents, I guess I should. Rays talk on Love helped me beyond words. At the time I was in a lot of turmoil over the person responsible for my brothers death. I'd bought into the idea that loving ones enemies was no different to lovings ones own family or brethren. I was starting to think that I had not truly forgiven and that maybe there was something wrong or amiss in my faith. I even emailed Ray about it. His talk on Love was a massive weight off me, and a revelation. I can now see that I don't have to love this person as my own or as my brethren, but to be concerned for his well being and salvation is enough. I harbour him no ill will, he has been suitably punished according to the law. I pray for him and pray that Christ comes into his life. I just pray that my heart is where it should be concerning this issue. Now I know that there are two types of Love in Gods word, or levels of Love, its a huge spiritual help to me.

Thanks for sharing this insight Arcturus. I had never seen that scripture in that way before, what a revelation. Saul's/Paul's story in Acts 9 is one of the most powerful stories in the Bible for me. Here was a man thinking he was doing the will of God, breathing threatenings and slaughter against Christs disciples, and then boom, one of the most profound and powerful events in the Bible. I've heard many a preacher both on TV and on the web quote this event in such a wishy washy way. When I read Acts 9:1-8, I envisage Christ bellowing the words at Saul, and Saul being in terror. Also the men that were with him were speechless. The power of this passage is scarcely put over by Christian preachers. What is never put over by the Church is that Saul in his state before his conversion is a type of the Church today, breathing threats and slaughter against Christ true disciples. Rays emails are a testimony to this.
God be with you.
David.

joyful1:
Hi David--
I am sorry that your brother was killed....may God's peace and comfort keep you strong in your life now without him.  We tend to count on our siblings being there for most of our lives....parents leave us, spouses come and stay, sometimes they go...but the relationships that we tend to be able to enjoy for the longest amount of time in our lives.....are our siblings! I am so sorry that your brother is not there anymore for you....peace to you brother!

You mentioned the verse from Amos:  "23Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols."

I would like to put these other two verses down for your consideration....

Ezekiel 26:13
"And I will cause the noise of thy songs to cease; and the sound of thy harps shall be no more heard."
Revelation 18:22
"And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee;..."

so God is telling us in Amos to "take away the noise" so to speak...
and in Revelation....finally....they are "heard NO MORE!" 

That used to make me sad when I read it...it made me feel like God somehow hated music, which I loved.  But now it is beginning to make a lot more sense!

:) cheers
Joyce

Samson:
Hello David,

                 Yes, David, loving ones Enemies was a very convincing Scripture for me insofar as supporting the eventual salvation for ALL. I reasoned that, why would Jesus tell us(imperfect humans) to Love our enemies, if he was unwilling to do so, it didn't make sense that a Loving god would Eternally Torture or Annihilate any of mankind according to What they did or didn't do during a 70-80 year life-span. Of course their is much more explanation as to the why explained uin Rays' teachings, but the Scripture on Loving ones Enemies certainly helped me along the path.

                  Thats' quite an experience you had regarding that individual who was responsible for your Brothers' death, I commend you for your perspective regarding him, your concern for his Salvation and well-being, distinguishing the Agape from the Phileo. Holding onto ILL-WILL towards others is damaging to ourselves and makes you their prisoner. I hope that I would be able to maintain my integrity if confronted with such a tragedy, may it be Gods' Will for all of us to do so.

                   Thankyou for sharing your experience and looking forward to your responses in the future.

                             Your Brother in Christ, Samson.

David:
Thank you Joyce and Samson for your kind words, its very comforting.
Thanks for those scriptures Joyce and for sharing your insight.
Here's another scripture which correlates music to Babylonian worship.

Dan 3: 1 Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was sixty cubits and its width six cubits. He set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon. 2 And King Nebuchadnezzar sent word to gather together the satraps, the administrators, the governors, the counselors, the treasurers, the judges, the magistrates, and all the officials of the provinces, to come to the dedication of the image which King Nebuchadnezzar had set up. 3 So the satraps, the administrators, the governors, the counselors, the treasurers, the judges, the magistrates, and all the officials of the provinces gathered together for the dedication of the image that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up; and they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up. 4 Then a herald cried aloud: “To you it is commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, 5 that at the time you hear the sound of the horn, flute, harp, lyre, and psaltery, in symphony with all kinds of music, you shall fall down and worship the gold image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up; 6 and whoever does not fall down and worship shall be cast immediately into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.”
7 So at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the horn, flute, harp, and lyre, in symphony with all kinds of music, all the people, nations, and languages fell down and worshiped the gold image which King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.

Samson, Love your enemies is a scripture that had me wondering about this hell rubbish before I came to see the truth. Also one of the last things Christ said as he was dying on the cross Luke 23:34 Father forgive them, for they know not what they do. I wondered why Christ would ask God to forgive those that had killed him, if he planned for them to burn in hell for all eternity.
There is an eternal fire that will burn us all in turn. And that fire is Gods word.
Jer 5:14 “ Because you speak this word,
      Behold, I will make My words in your mouth fire,
      And this people wood,
      And it shall devour them.
Is not My word like a fire?” says the LORD,
 “ And like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?
Rev 11:3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”
4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies.

Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
The difference between the truth and the Church belief is that Judgement by Gods word will not last eternally even though Gods word will never pass away. I liken it to the air we breath. In a sense air is eternal. It has been produced since God first put plants on the earth, and it will be here until some cataclysmic Divine event and the world ends. Air will be in the earth for its eternity, yet we only breath it for our life time. We don't breath the eternal air when we are dead. Hope that makes some sense.
God be with you.
David.

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