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Matthew, Mark & Luke
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Chris R on March 05, 2008, 05:56:34 AM ---Hi Joe,
I read the account, never really looked that hard at all the versions, I reckon it is somewhat interesting. But i have a unique question for everyone.
These apostles were in fact taught in parables, correct?...They knew that Christ taught in parables only, correct? These apostles did not begin to write the scriptures until AFTER they were converted, correct?
Do we then expect that these apostles would not follow their Master when writing these things down?
Surley these things happened, but what is the ultimate message?
And, were the apostles accounts.....in parable form?
Peace
Chris R
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Hi Chris,
As I have learned from Ray and I believe the Spirit has revealed that the entire bible is a parable, God is in control of His Word and of even the strong delusion that some mistranslations (such as but not limited to "hell") and additions that tend to confuse or hide His Truth.
But even with that being said the Gospel of John while not having any parables per se' is in total a giant parable in itself.
Since we know the bible does not contradict itself, when we see things that "don't add up" or seem inconsistant we need to dig deeper and pray for His Spirit to guide us in our search, for me the fact that the churches gloss over these Gospel differences or give it some sort of physical explanation tells us that there is more to it, something spiritual!
I am going to address the prior posts a bit later today as I am getting ready to head to a meeting (8:30).
Thank you and Peace!
Joe
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Kent on March 04, 2008, 03:35:32 PM ---To me it adds (as if that were necessary) to the validity of scripture. Be suspicious when 2 witnesses give the exact same testimony... When 3 give the exact same testimony, at least 2 of them are liars.
It also proves the "errors" in the "Inerrant And Perfect Gods' Word The Mighty King James Authorized Version And All Other Versions Are Of The Devil" idolaters Bible.
JMO ;)
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Hi Kent,
Up until about a month or so ago I was of the opinion that the Gospels did have a man made (apostle) influnce on them, different vantage points coupled with their own unique backgrounds produced slightly different takes, this is virtually the same thing I had believed for well over 35 years.
A dear Brother, one who I have seen to have spiritual discernment presented these Gospel accounts as something not due to man's influence but to God's own design and purpose. After studying this for a while and again realizing that God is sovereign over everything these differences became more profound, if you really compare these Words written by the Gospel authors and check them against each other you do tend to see a distinct pattern although I readily admit that all the reasons for this are not totally clear to me yet.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Joe
I noticed that in the books of Mark and Luke Jarius came to Jesus.
In the book of Matthew the crowds bring to Jesus a paralyzed man. who He forgives first and then heals. After that the account of how Jesus called Matthew to follow Him is given.
It appears that the books of Mark and Luke identify the same incident and the book of Matthew a separate one though similar at first glance!
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Bobby Proctor on March 04, 2008, 07:04:18 PM ---Hi Joe and all,
This is very interesting... as I do believe the order of the gospels reveal more... as in a progression. But, I am just starting to see these things so I can't talk too sensibly about it. I pray that God will give me more understanding... and in the mean time would love to hear more of your thoughts.
I do believe overall that again we are talking about the many (swine) and the few (man - anthropos in Mark)
I also very much like (and you bolded it) the progression of mentioning sea, choked in the sea, and then lake! I'm convinced that is the lake of fire.
Again, I'm just starting to see the gospels this way... but wanted to at least let you know that I am interested in what you are seeing and look forward to hearing more of your insights.
Bobby
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Hi Bobby,
Thank you for the encouragement! I would like nothing better than to have you look through these things as well to see what you pick up and that we all can study this together and see where it leads if indeed it leads anywhere. I can't see how a humble study of His Word seeking the treasures of Him can be a negative in regard to our spiritual growth and understanding.
Thanks again!
Peace,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on March 04, 2008, 11:03:54 PM ---
Hello Joe
Thank you for posting this comparison. We are given the spiritual commandment from God that in order to make spiritual truths clear and compelling we are to quote
TRUTH NUMBER 7
[A] "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches; COMPARING [or ‘matching’] SPIRITUAL THINGS WITH SPIRITUAL" (I Cor. 2:13).
Re : TWELVE GOD-GIVEN TRUTHS TO UNDERSTAND HIS WORD http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm
You have made visible the application of this insight both practical and applicable! Thank you!
Also as an observation you say : We can see that the demons in Matthew are aware they have a "time" coming and seem surprised that Jesus is there, in Mark it is more like a lawyer making a legal claim" I adjure you...!" In the name of God no less! Then in Luke it is once again more like a plea rather than a legalistic technical motion.
What I find interesting here is that in email responces to Ray, it is clear we are seeing people express the Matthew (you meant Mark, right?) legal claims in the name of God that Ray stop! :D I have not seen the Luke plea yet but I think that is just around the corner once the unity of Christ's Mind and Spirit in joy and excitement of His resurrection begins to set in! ;) Then they will start begging. ;D
Peace to you brother
Arcturus :)
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Hi Arc,
You picked up on something there, the same spirit that is in the churches also motivates some of the email writers who take Ray to task for proclaiming the scriptures rather than man made doctrines.
They don't have the faith in God that He really loves all His creation, they don't believe He really intends to save all, they have no clue of the Lord's work in preparing an elect group to participate in the Fall Harvest (or that there even is more than one harvest) and the conversion or salvation process He is presently doing. To many His work was completed at the cross and at resurrection but there is little mention of what He is doing since His death, resurrection and Pentecost.
As a case in point check out the accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John starting from after the crucifixion, you will see that in "legalistic" Mark there is not much at all especially if you take out the spurious verses (Mark 16:9-20). For a real stark contrast read Mark's account which is only a few verses and then John's (the no parable Gospel) which is almost 2 chapters!
Were these guys at the same event, know the same Jesus, see many of the same things? I am sure the answer is yes but were they inspired to write the same things? Apparently not. Why? God does not waste His Word(s).
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
There are parables within parables and mysteries that are riddles wrapped in an enigma which we call our bible. It sometimes does not even come close to resembling (our own) logic but if we pray for spiritual eyes many things we did not see before become clear as He grants us His spiritual eyes.
Isa 28:21 For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.
I could not agree more. ;)
His Peace to you,
Joe
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