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Eternal misery for ALL!
phazel:
Samson, Ray has an audio and transcript on the word all. I am not sure if Ray mentions this in that and I intend to listen and read the transcript again to see. But if I am not mistaken when the bible is talking about ALL (of a group of certain people) I believe it mentions the group by name in the passage.
I seemed to have noticed that verses where ALL is talking about mankind the "context" of the verses either mentions mankind specifically, or it is talking about an event that God intends for everyone no matter what. Such as repentance.
I do not know this is in every case, but Ray is correct in his teaching about it that the word ALL on its own cannot cause a truth of universal salvation.
Paul:
--- Quote from: David on March 08, 2008, 02:33:36 AM ---How can anyone rejoice in heaven for all eternity knowing they have a brother or sister, mother or faher, husband or wife, son or daughter burning and being tormented in hell for all eternity?
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Well, just for the sake of argument, God's gonna "wipe all tears from their eyes."
phazel:
--- Quote from: David on March 08, 2008, 02:33:36 AM --- How can anyone rejoice in heaven for all eternity knowing they have a brother or sister, mother or faher, husband or wife, son or daughter burning and being tormented in hell for all eternity?
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If we have free will, then they choose to rejoice about eternal misery.
Samson:
Yes Phazel,
I listened to that Audio which discusses the word All(PAS) by Ray and he mentioned that the word ALL on its' own accord wasn't enough to cause belief in Universal Salvation by itself, as expressed in your last paragraph of your second to last Post. He mentioned that they use the word ALL inconsistently, exp- All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, in that Scripture they(Theologians) interpret PAS as everybody, but in Scriptures where it mentions saving everyone, they interpret PAS as MANY or MOST. Translators seem to pick and chose how they want something to be understood and rendered to suit their purpose and like Ray says, they use their CONTEXT justification to accomplish their goal. After finding out that LATIN corrupted some of the original greek words and their meanings, they couldn't fool me anymore.
Peace be to you, Samson.
Robin:
They believe they choose God. This is how they solve the question of God being just and loving all. They believe that God sits by helplessly hoping we will choose him. This is how they justify God sending most to hell for eternity. This is how they justify exalting themselves above others.
They believe they have the power to choose or reject God.
This makes them the "god" of their own salvation.
2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you
John 15:19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love
Eph. 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are HIS workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them.
They believe they have saved themselves by their own choice so now they exalt themselves above others who they believe reject God by choice. They despise others because they exalt themselves above all so they rejoice in the lie that others will be eternally tortured in their man made hell fire. If they aren't rejoicing they are suffering great emotional pain believing a loved one is being tortured.
Luke 18
9 Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ 13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”
Matthew 23:
13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
http://bible-truths.com/lake13.html
Whenever man builds his spiritual house upon the spiritual sand, his spiritual house will fall. And it is then that God reveals to him the wild beast that comes out of the sea. What does Paul tell us happens when there comes a ‘FALLING AWAY’ first? What follows? When our house on sand falls, what is then revealed? Why "the LAWLESS one" is "REVEALED." When the falling away occurs, then the man of sin, ‘the lawless one’ ‘the one destined for destruction’ is REVEALED.
And what a revelation it is! What a blast of the trumpet it is! What a shock to all humanity when at long last this wild beast is revealed to EVERYONE! Trust me when I tell you that it is a hard pill to swallow. It will shake you to your sandy foundation.
As I am now at the end of this Part XIII, I don’t want to close without revealing just who it is that constitutes the wild beast of Revelation 13 and the lawless one of II Thes. 2. I did title this Installment: Who is the Beast? And so I will tell you.
"So okay Ray, enough, TELL US WHO THE BEAST IS. Who? Tell us WHO?"
The "beast" is you!
Philippians 2
10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
This is the good news!
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