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Stuck With that "Anything's Possible" Attitude
Kat:
Hi Bradigans,
--- Quote ---The whole human race (outside of Christ) is sick (sin sick) because of the sin (trespass) of father Adam. Christ came to remedy that sickness.
- Matthew 18:11 - For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Mankind on this space vessel called the earth, lost contact (died spiritually) with it's creator when Adam did what he did back in the garden. You see, God is a Spirit.
--- End quote ---
So are you saying that Adam's sin was passed on to all humanity?
Here is an email that discusses that idea.
http://bible-truths.com/email5.htm#Adam ------------
As with ALL major doctrines, the Christian Church has not a clue as to this subject of "original sin."
The doctrine taught is that Adam and Eve were PERFECT (after all, could God create something that was NOT perfect? Were they not created in God's OWN IMAGE)?
Well, they were "perfect" in the same way that Satan (a liar and a murderer from the very beginning) was perfect -- PERFECT FOR THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH GOD CREATED THEM.
Adam and Eve ALREADY had lust and disobedience in their hearts BEFORE the serpent approached them. Eve LUSTED BEFORE she ever actually ate of the fruit. Small technicality for our Christian friends.
Now then let's read Rom. 5:12 together:
"Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin: and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."
Now then, WHERE does that verse say that Adam's "sin was passed on to all in the world?" Was "sin" passed on? NO! "DEATH" was passed on.
Are we condemned because of "ADAM'S SIN?" NO! "...for that ALL have sinned." All have sinned their OWN individual sins, they are not condemned because of Adam's sin, but they did receive "death" from Adam in that "mortality" WAS passed on to the whole human race, because Adam did NOT partake of the "TREE OF LIFE," but rather sinned which brought the penalty God promised of "death."
A better translation helps our understanding:
"Therefore, even as through one man sin entered into the world, and through sin death, and thus death passed through into all mankind on which all sinned..." (Concordant Literal New Testament).
Rom. 5:19 "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners..."
They were made sinners by VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT THEY RECEIVED ADAM'S MORTALITY [DEATH] NOT HIS SIN. We sin because we are mortal [dying]. We have NO SPIRITUAL STRENGTH to combat our carnal, sinning, DYING, FLESH. Hence all sin because THEY ARE MORTAL. Adam sinned because HE WAS MORTAL. "It is appointed unto ALL men once to die"
But there are TWO DEATHS -- spiritual and physical. Jesus Christ said: "Let the DEAD bury the DEAD." Two kinds of "dead" in ONE VERSE. The SPIRITUALLY DEAD, who bury the PHYSICALLY DEAD!
Hope that helps your understanding a little better. One more point: Any human being from any generation in the history of the human race, if put in the garden under the same conditions as Adam, would have ALSO SINNED THE SAME WAY. Adam sinned not because he could have chosen NOT TO SIN, but because he was made too spiritually weak to avoid or conquer sin. God MADE Adam subject to VANITY and CORRUPTION (and "not willingly"). See Romans 8:18-23).
God be with you,
Ray
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Paul on March 09, 2008, 03:34:26 AM ---A few months ago, I started reading up on Christianity, and discovered it was much more legitamite than I thought (I saw it as a bunch of old tales :)), and I wanna believe in Jesus Christ, but I'm stuck with that "anything's possible" attitude, meaning I don't completely believe and can't repent. And I love to sin.
So, if anyone has anything to say about that...
--- End quote ---
Well you're not alone. I don't think i would say i LOVE to sin, but i can't STOP sinning... I hate it, but for some reason i seem to do what i hate, and what i do love, i can't do.. like obey God. So you're not alone dear friend.
Only God can give you the faith required to believe in Him because as paul has said, it is a Gift from God and what have we that we did not recieve? Offcourse, we have NOTHING we didn't recieve, because it's all FROM GOD! =]
Love in Christ,
Alex
Phil3:10:
Paul,
I so agree with what you said about sin being fun and hard to overcome. In our carnal nature we can never overcome our desire to sin. However, with CHRIST indwelling us we do find that our sinning hurts HIM. Christianity(religion) is one of the worse things to ever happen to mankind and to the cause of CHRIST. CHRIST calls us to a personal relationship with HIM, not Christianity. However, none can come to CHRIST unless GOD draws them. Read carefully John Chapter 6. (Verse 44. No man can come to ME, except the FATHER which has sent me draw him; and I will raise him up at the last day.) You can't repent until GOD drags you to HIM. However, your honesty is wonderful and I do feel that our LORD is touching your heart.
One of the best scriptures I know is John 5:39., Search the scriptures; for in them you think you have eternal life; and they are they which testify of me. Our LORD will start you on spiritual milk but as you seek HIM he will lead you to spiritual solid food. We all sin either by commission or ommission. CHRIST forgives our sins and only in HIM is there real life.
In HIM,
Phil3:10
Bradigans:
--- Quote from: Kat on March 09, 2008, 11:49:50 AM ---
Hi Bradigans,
--- Quote ---The whole human race (outside of Christ) is sick (sin sick) because of the sin (trespass) of father Adam. Christ came to remedy that sickness.
- Matthew 18:11 - For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Mankind on this space vessel called the earth, lost contact (died spiritually) with it's creator when Adam did what he did back in the garden. You see, God is a Spirit.
--- End quote ---
So are you saying that Adam's sin was passed on to all humanity?
Here is an email that discusses that idea.
http://bible-truths.com/email5.htm#Adam ------------
As with ALL major doctrines, the Christian Church has not a clue as to this subject of "original sin."
The doctrine taught is that Adam and Eve were PERFECT (after all, could God create something that was NOT perfect? Were they not created in God's OWN IMAGE)?
Well, they were "perfect" in the same way that Satan (a liar and a murderer from the very beginning) was perfect -- PERFECT FOR THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH GOD CREATED THEM.
Adam and Eve ALREADY had lust and disobedience in their hearts BEFORE the serpent approached them. Eve LUSTED BEFORE she ever actually ate of the fruit. Small technicality for our Christian friends.
Now then let's read Rom. 5:12 together:
"Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin: and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."
Now then, WHERE does that verse say that Adam's "sin was passed on to all in the world?" Was "sin" passed on? NO! "DEATH" was passed on.
Are we condemned because of "ADAM'S SIN?" NO! "...for that ALL have sinned." All have sinned their OWN individual sins, they are not condemned because of Adam's sin, but they did receive "death" from Adam in that "mortality" WAS passed on to the whole human race, because Adam did NOT partake of the "TREE OF LIFE," but rather sinned which brought the penalty God promised of "death."
A better translation helps our understanding:
"Therefore, even as through one man sin entered into the world, and through sin death, and thus death passed through into all mankind on which all sinned..." (Concordant Literal New Testament).
Rom. 5:19 "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners..."
They were made sinners by VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT THEY RECEIVED ADAM'S MORTALITY [DEATH] NOT HIS SIN. We sin because we are mortal [dying]. We have NO SPIRITUAL STRENGTH to combat our carnal, sinning, DYING, FLESH. Hence all sin because THEY ARE MORTAL. Adam sinned because HE WAS MORTAL. "It is appointed unto ALL men once to die"
But there are TWO DEATHS -- spiritual and physical. Jesus Christ said: "Let the DEAD bury the DEAD." Two kinds of "dead" in ONE VERSE. The SPIRITUALLY DEAD, who bury the PHYSICALLY DEAD!
Hope that helps your understanding a little better. One more point: Any human being from any generation in the history of the human race, if put in the garden under the same conditions as Adam, would have ALSO SINNED THE SAME WAY. Adam sinned not because he could have chosen NOT TO SIN, but because he was made too spiritually weak to avoid or conquer sin. God MADE Adam subject to VANITY and CORRUPTION (and "not willingly"). See Romans 8:18-23).
God be with you,
Ray
--- End quote ---
Amen... So we didn't inherit his sin, but the wages of his sin which is death?
- Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Thank you for giving me a clearer picture. i kind of felt a little uneasy earlier when i put we inherited sin through father Adam. It's death (spiritual separation) we inherited which i believe is what leads to the physical death of our bodies. Please reprove me if i'm wrong.
We all would have did the same thing as father Adam. The scripture states it succinctly. He represents the entire human race. Everything is a part or plays a part in God's overall divine plan and purpose. Thanks for being patient with me as i'm catching up and on to some of these great and marvellous spiritual truths presented here at this site.
IN HIS LOVE
Kat:
Hi Bradigans,
We are all learning these things and I'm always glad to share something I have learned :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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