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Universalism, The Prevailing Doctrine of Christianity For Five Centuries

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lilitalienboi16:

--- Quote from: Samson on March 12, 2008, 08:09:09 AM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on March 11, 2008, 01:21:45 PM ---Yep great stuff. Theirs a few good sites online that preserve this information for you if you google the history of it. It's interesting read and only furthermore confirms the truth in my heart!

God bless,

Alex

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              Hello Alex,

                                 Thats' precisely my point, that is why I was wondering if anyone at this Site knew of any modern day Theologians and/or Bible Scholars that know that Universal Salvation had such a great support from many learned Christian thinkers of the Early Centuries, but still teach Eternal Torment, even though they know for a fact its' definitely wrong, especially with all the evidence available. It's one thing to teach something that's wrong unknowingly, but far worse when you know better and proceed to teach the falsehood.

                               Any information or thoughts on this, Your Brother, Samson.

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I had one christian i debated with who admited that the information you presented above [which i presented to him in more detail] was infact TRUE. Yet he still could not come to believe in the Salvation of all. This same christian person i believe studied at a bible school and got a degree there. So it appears as though they are aware of this information, do they share it with there students at bible schools and theology schools? I don't know, but there are people who when faced with it, cannot deny it. If they have any intellectual honosty in them [which this christian that i debated with had] they will not deny it but must face the facts.

So my point is.. it's a myster to me, but there are christians who seem to be aware of it. I think for the mostpart though the masses are not. Do the leaders know? Perhaps? I think it would be foolish to think they had never come across it atleast ONCE in there life, although some might very well have never heard of it and lead the blind, as they are blinded to this truth as well.

God bless,

Alex

rk12201960:
Hi Samson and to all.

Yeah very deep stuff here.
Good points. I guess its the horse thing you know bring it to water,,,etc

I lost the forum connection so I went and watched Rays talk on How Hard is Getting Saved.
I remember him talking about how only the Few would understand the Scriptures in the way it was,is and going to be given.

This just backs up the Scriptures in that, How can they not see this even after admitting that the facts that were brought out are true.
Who can stand against God? They are not allowed to see it.

This is prophesy being brought to light.

Fantastic topic along with the comments.
Peace
Randy

dewey:
hey randy , dewey here ,just wanted to say something about , how hard is getting saved? The other day I had to have some blood work done , at 2 or 3  in the morning I woke up thinking about what article of pastor Smith's writings about God to bring with me to read while I was waiting to see the doctor.  I decided I would take the 12 truths to understanding his word, but for some reason, my heart kept telling me to take how hard is getting saved and I kept saying, Lord, I've read that one a hundred times and I've only read the 12 truths 10 or 15 times.  I know what I want to read while I'm waiting.  So I took 12 truths out with me to warm up the truck and left getting saved on the kitchen table.  As I started to leave after the truck was warmed up, something provoked me to take the getting saved article with me (what could that have been?)  Got to the doctor's office after reading 4 or 5 of the many pages that I had printed on that subject a lady came out and said Dewey the doctor's ready to see you.  I took and threw the paper on the seat beside me as instructed by God.  The receptionist says Dewey is that your paper?  And I said "not anymore".  When I left from talking with the doctor, it was gone.  Just wanted to share it with you Randy.  May not mean nothing, then again.........

love ya,

dewey

Martinez:
I personally would take whatever Oregon said with a grain of salt.

He had some pretty strange idea's and believed some pretty stupid doctrines like the trinity, etc.

gmik:
This topic is how I eventually "found" Ray's site.  I felt this hunger to know some of the earliest church fathers.  So I just googled church history and started reading.  Wow.  What an eye opener to me was how "off" they got only after a few years (altho Paul alluded to them).  Then to see how Rome just sorta "took"over.  I did love Origen and Gregory.  They may have not had all the knowledge but boy they were willing to die for it!!!

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