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Hell vs. the Lake of Fire
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Barbara
I hear what you say about your moma. I too have the suffering of blood relatives who do not see yet. It is a chastising experience to feel love for our family and know that they are not yet given to see what we see or know what we know.
I think God is teaching me endurance, patience, trust and desire for my more carnal family to be healed and restored. Jesus after all, went about healing EVERYONE of ALL their diseases. WE too have to become like Him. Not inclusive of only who we choose should or should not be healed, but knowing, trusting and believing that all will be saved in the order ordained by the Wisdom and Understanding of our Lord Jesus Christ. This is a humbling exercise of discipline that hurts when we know our loved ones just do not get it yet.
Blessed peace be to you sister
Arcturus :)
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Samson
You said ….referring to Paragraphs 1 & 2,….
That is so funny. I wanted to delete those paragraphs. ::) Shows how much I know heh! Then you come right in and up front show interest in those paragraphs I in my stupidity, wanted to delete! :-\
You say…. what they don't realize is that the punishment they want them to receive exceeds the crime committed.
This comment made me recall that once I learnt that we are the most notorious judges against ourselves. We never forget our errors and replay them over and over again never getting past them, never forgiving ourselves and running into escapes to paralyse, not face or simple put behind us our errors. This we do without Christ. With Christ we repent, know we are the Beast, and begin the slow painful walk into the light of the knowledge that we have no free will and we depend in entirety on the Faith of Christ and His won victory death and resurrection till He comes again.
You nail it with this observation : everyone of us is incapable of providing perfect and fair justice towards those that have deeply harmed us.
This is the nature of the beast. Incapable, imperfect, unfair and deeply harmful to all of us. As was Christ so crucified, so too do we die daily as He increases in us.
Blessed Peace to you brother
Arcturus :)
Dante:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on March 17, 2008, 02:20:12 PM ---
Dear Dante
You state : I want to know everything about God and his plan,....and the universe (Not to much to ask huh?? ).
Consider the following :
Daniel 10 : 11, 12 And the angel said to me, O Daniel (Dante) you greatly beloved man, understand the words that I speak to you and stand upright, for you I am now sent. And while he was saying this word to me, I stood up trembling. Then he said to me, Fear not Daniel, (Dante) for from the first day that you set your mind and heart to understand and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come as a consequence of and in response to your words.
Eph 1 : 17 For I always pray to the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, that He may grant you a spirit of wisdom and revelation of insight into mysteries and secrets in the deep and intimate KNOWLEDGE OF HIM. By having the eyes of your heart flooded with light, so that you can know and understand the hope to which He has called you, and how rich is His glorious inheritance in the saints, His set-apart ones. And so that you can KNOW AND UNDERSTAND what is the immeasurable and unlimited and surpassing greatness of His power in and for us who believe, as demonstrated in the working of His mighty strength.
Then you say quote : Just gotta love that fact that God will not let anyone perish. It still gives me a "Kick" to think ON THAT ONE!!!!
I prefer to see it this way Job 19 : 25 For I know that my Redeemer and Vindicator lives, and at last He will stand upon the earth. And after my skin, even this body, had been destroyed, THEN from my flesh or without it, I SHALL SEE GOD.
1 COR 3 : 15 But if any person’s work is burned up under the test, he will suffer the loss of it all, losing his reward, thought he HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, but only as one who has passed through fire.
Jer 30 : 11 For I am with you, says the Lord, to save you, for I will make a full and complete end of all the nations to which I have scattered you, but I will not make a full and complete end of you. But I will correct you in measure and with judgment and will no sense hold you guiltless or leave you unpunished.
Job 23 : 10 but HE knows the way that I take (no free will!) He has concern for it, appreciates, and pays attention to it. When He has tried me, I shall come forth as refined gold, pure and luminous. ….…and Job got that right! 8)
You add an important foot note Dante as a PS…you say quote : Just talking about it and admitting to myself that I have a problem area, makes me feel better about it. Maybe this is a stepping stone and something I should do more often. Even if I have to talk to myself,....
The self you talk to is my self too. My self too is the wretched beast to whom I am chained until set free in full when Christ redeems me in full from my carnal grave.
Peace to you brother
Arcturus :)
--- End quote ---
Thanks so much for the inspiration Arcturus.
I appreciate the passages and have found much wisdom in the words that you have wrote.
I have read them over about 5 or 6 times fully.
Thank you and God bless!
Dante
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Dante
You thank me for the words I wrote. Well I did not write them. They are God's Words and they shall not return to Him empty.
You do me well brother that you have read them with sobre consideration.
Blessed Peace be to you
Arc.
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