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lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Kat on March 16, 2008, 07:56:11 PM ---Hi Dave,
It seems to me that people will find a Scripture and make it work with their doctrine. No where does the Scripture plainly state what would be a very profound knowledge, that God is three presons. So that's what I think they are doing with these Scripture. Just because the Holy Spirit is spoken of at the same time as the Father, so they say it is another person and forms the third person of the triune God ??? I just think this is a very weak argument, in the absence of a firm Scripture that states this trinity idea.
--- Quote ---Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
This does appear to be an authentic scripture (not spurious) and would on the surface appear strong evidence for those that uphold the Trinity doctrine.
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This is addressed in the Trinity article.
http://bible-truths.com/trinity.html -------------------------
Here is the main Scripture used by Trinitarians to try and make people believe that God is a trinity:
"Going, then, disciple all nations baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit [Authorized, ghost]..." (Mat. 28:19).
And how does this verse prove that God is a three-in-one trinity? I DON’T KNOW! It certainly doesn’t say that these three form ONE GOD. Or that these three are coequal with one another. They are just all three mentioned in one verse, that’s all.
The mention of the "holy spirit" in this verse no more proves that the holy spirit is the third God part of a trinity than the mention of "the Comforter" in John 15:26 proves that it is the fourth God part of a quartet, or the mention of "the spirit of Truth" in this same verse in the fifth God part of a quintet!
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Kat, that scripture though does not appear in the earliest of manuscripts and seem to have been placed in sometime later to help support the trinity. It is not authentic from what i have read. So although ray is right, it doesn't prove anything - It doesn't even belong in the scriptures as it is not an authentic verse. It was added many years later. Many many.
God bless,
Alex
Kat:
Hi Alex,
Well all I have to go on is Tischendorf’s list of spurious Scripture and he only has the "therefore" as being spurious.
But there is a Scripture that is spurious in 1 John 5:7 "...in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
Were you thinking of that Scripture maybe?
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Kat on March 17, 2008, 07:59:00 AM ---
Hi Alex,
Well all I have to go on is Tischendorf’s list of spurious Scripture and he only has the "therefore" as being spurious.
But there is a Scripture that is spurious in 1 John 5:7 "...in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
Were you thinking of that Scripture maybe?
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Hmm perhaps, that might be it. However i do recall reading this verse online as being spuriouse as well from a few sights. I'll have to look it up again. Forgive me if i am wrong.
God bless,
Alex
Robin:
I have the Hebrew Gospel of Mathew and it reads like this.
Mathew 28
19Go
20and (teach) them to carry out all the things which I have commanded you forever.
Here is an article I found on it.
http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/matt2819-willis.htm
chav:
Hi everyone
thanks there is some very helpful stuff there amongst the answers given,
particularly useful was the information regarding Matthew's gospel.I was a bit thrown by it's inclusion in the Concordant ,ISA, and it's omission from Tischendorf’s list of spurious Scriptures , so that's clearer now .
thanks again
Dave
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