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2012?
David:
In the late 90s the end of the world according to pagans, the media, even some Christians was going to be 12.am January 1st 2000. We're still here.
If we pray in the manner in which Christ commanded us, then we pray for His kingdom to come, and we pray for the Fathers will to be done.
phazel:
I think the point Sorin was trying to make is that while people for ages have predicted the end of the world, you also cannot say that any specific date will not be when it happens.
This is not a statement of belief in the end of the world in 2012, its just since no one can know, then no one can claim YES or NO to ANY date.
What I believe to be true, is that the date 2012 is not correct based on someones ability to predict anything. It would be the time because if it happens, thats when God planned for it.
dewey:
--- Quote from: David on March 24, 2008, 10:27:40 AM ---In the late 90s the end of the world according to pagans, the media, even some Christians was going to be 12.am January 1st 2000. We're still here.
If we pray in the manner in which Christ commanded us, then we pray for His kingdom to come, and we pray for the Fathers will to be done.
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/quote] Good job David, and I beleve, that statement will most likely end this thread ,why because your post say
s it all . I n the spirit of Christ , love ya brother ,and dewey said it
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Samson:
Hello Everyone,
At first, I was going to avoid this thread, thinking whether or not, I wanted to go there. Since my former Religion of Twenty years(JW'S) were masters at making predictions regarding Jesus second coming(Parasousia or Erkomai) in which none of them came true, thought I would make a few comments. None of my comments are meant to criticize those who have curiosity about date-setting or end time Eschatology.
Stevernator mentioned some scriptures applicable to the discussion, adding to that Acts. 1:7; " It does not belong to you to get knowledge of the times or seasons which the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction ", also Matthew. 24:44 states " On this account you too prove yourselves ready, because at an hour that you do not think it to be, the Son of Man is coming." Luke. 21:8 " He said: Look out that you are not misled, for many will come in my name, saying I am he, and the due time has approached." Matthew. 24:23-27 " Then if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Christ or There, do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. Look I have forewarned you. Therefore if people say to you, Look, He is in the wilderness, do not go out; Look, he is in the inner chambers, do not believe it. For just as the lightning comes out of eastern parts and shines over to western parts, so the presence or coming of the son of man will be."
Luke. 17:24 states, " For even as the LIGHTNING(GK-Epiphaneia, means An appearance coming into light or view, manifestation) by its' flashing , shines from one part under heaven to another part under heaven, so the Son of Man will be."
After twenty years of being subjected to the building of expectations, people cashing in retirement plans, insurance policies, selling houses, foregoing necessary medical attention, limiting ones education and lifelong plans based on an Organizations insistence and judicial pressure to rely on a particular end-time date, I NOW PROCEED WITH CAUTION WHEN CONSIDERING DATE-SETTING METHODS.
I leave all of you with a Scripture that brought me comfort as a result of all this; Deuteronomy. 18:22, " When the Prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak, with presumptuousness the Prophet spoke it, YOU MUST NOT GET FRIGHTENED AT HIM." ( Some of the dates that supposedly were going to be the start of Armageddon: 1914, 1918, 1925,1975(heavily implied) and possibly alluding to 2034(based on the 120 years mentioned in Genesis. 6:3 added to 1914(originally believed to be the start of armageddon and changed to the beginning of the last days & the invisible return of Christ).
However, as stated in my first paragraph, this doesn't imply anyone shouldn't be allowed to be curious about THE END, just don't get duped like I used to be, Be awake, Be Alert, Be in expectation of it, but proceed with some caution. Just my thoughts and opinions on date-setting, for whatever it's worth.
Your brother in Christ, Samson.
David:
--- Quote from: dewey on March 24, 2008, 05:03:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: David on March 24, 2008, 10:27:40 AM ---In the late 90s the end of the world according to pagans, the media, even some Christians was going to be 12.am January 1st 2000. We're still here.
If we pray in the manner in which Christ commanded us, then we pray for His kingdom to come, and we pray for the Fathers will to be done.
--- End quote ---
Good job David, and I beleve, that statement will most likely end this thread ,why because your post say
s it all . I n the spirit of Christ , love ya brother ,and dewey said it
--- End quote ---
My love to you too brother, peace and belssings to you, and to all.
David.
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