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Samson:
Previous Reminder,

                          As I was skimming through some older threads from the past, I came across  this Gem and reminder. After citing a few Scriptures relating to this Topic, below I shall attempt to Copy and Paste points that were most beneficial from the members who already Posted.

Stubborness: From the Hebrew Word "Patsar" meaning "to peck at" and qshiy(pronounced-kesh-ee) meaning obstinacy. Strongs number 6484 & 7190. The basic meaning of the various words from the original language words that convey the idea of Stubborness is hardness, especially in a bad sense. In Biblical usage, often a deliberate refusal to comply with God's Will or commands is involved.

Jeremiah. 7:24 " But they did not listen, neither did they incline their ear, but they were walking in the counsels in the stubborness of their bad heart, so that they became backward in direction and not forward."

Jeremiah. 18:12 " And they said: " It is hopeless, For after their own thoughts we shall walk, and we are going to carry out each one the stubborness of his bad heart."

                      Below are comments that were beneficial from members previous points.


From Joe Hillsboroughriver

1 Skim through a couple articles, get excited about no hell, no tithes.

2 Join the Forum

3 Stop reading and demand answers from the membership

4 Begin teaching things they still embrace from Babylon

5 Get challenged by the membership and the mods

6 Leave the Forum

I have also seen those that do read (for a while) and continue to be positive and active here but then begin to bring in scripturally unsound things that were "revealed" to them, they are dissatisfied with the response and become a little more self defensive and even confrontational as they accuse the Forum of being "followers of Ray" and the moderators as being cops, nazi's or whatever. They conveniently forget the rules, really the outline of what this Forum was founded on, discussion of the articles, not as a soap box for would be or self proclaimed teachers.



--- Quote from: Little Joe on April 05, 2008, 09:15:35 AM ---Hello Everybody,

Here is my honest take on all of this.  

When I signed up for this forum, I agreed to abide by certain rules.  Maybe there are some of the rules I have a little trouble agreeing with on principal (being the rebel that I am ;)), but I did agree to abide by them.  It is not my forum, so I respect the rules.  This is just plain being honorable.  

With that being said, the things about Ray's teaching I disagree with, even after hours of reading his stuff (which i have done, not casually at all), I prefer to keep to myself as far as this forum goes and pursue by some other avenue.   It is not my job to "straighten anybody out", as some may have tried to do.  That is the work of the Holy Spirit of God to do, IMHO.

Peace to all,

Joe

--- End quote ---

From Craig

Great points.  Members pay attention to what Joe says.  The forum is like a cassette tape on a loop.  The same circumstances happen over and over.  Sort of like a country music song,  man buys truck, dog dies, woman cheats, woman takes everything, man wrecks truck   On the forum the names change and the order changes but we always end back at the beginning over and over.  The forum has shown me alot about human behavior as I'm sure most of you old timers would agree.

From Marques

Every week, someone (usually a newbie or whatever the next step up is) makes a point about whatever issue they feel scripture is stating, a few mods and others will show that they are somewhat off in their analysis (all using multiple scripture by the way) and then that someone refuses to humble themselves and goes on a small tangent about how they are not wrong. This is the furthest thing from loving one another. I am not trying to preach, but it is discouraging for everyone when we all come to read, study, and discuss scripture and someone wants to pound their message into the ground and go tit for tat with one another. If you truly feel you are right, why can't you stay humble and just agree to disagree? Why do you feel you have this all knowing understanding and no one can turn you from? This goes along with Ray's teachings about idols of the heart. We have to let that stubborness and pride go. No one really knows it all.


Just thought this would be a good reminder, not meant as an attack on anyone in particular, applies to me, too. Remember when Posting, out of the mouth of two or three witnesses a matter is firmly established.

                               Kind Regards, Samson.[/color]

Craig:
Good old piece of silverware to get out and polish Samson.


--- Quote ---The forum is like a cassette tape on a loop.
--- End quote ---

As we have matured the tape has went from a 60 minute cassette to a 90 minute one, that is good. :)

Craig

Linny:
Nice reminder guys.
One thing is for sure. The only person I agree with 100% is me. I don't require agreement with anyone else I love, why would I need it here on the forum? We are all works in progress and I am constantly reminded of the false things I have believed in the past. I don't beat myself up and so I shouldn't beat anyone else up either. As much as I've had to unteach my own children, it becomes easier to say, "I am not necessarily right about everything, but this is what I believe. You must do your own study and who knows what you may teach me." I have had to learn to be more and more open-minded and ready to learn.
Thanks for the heads up on the possibility of people coming in to set us straight. I don't want to be cynical but that is not something I look for.

Lin

onelovedread:
Amen to that, Marques.
It surely does not demonstate love when we try to beat each other over the head with the "truth" we think we have.

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