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More 'Refutations' of Rays works...
gmik:
Wow!! I love reading all their gobbledegook. To me when I read Ray's replies they are crystal clear. I get it!! Their stuff is nothing-no substance, no understanding, just anger toward someone who dare go against their pet "hell doctrine". Amazing isn't it! Your eyes aren't open until He opens them.
SteveB:
--- Quote ---Wow!! I love reading all their gobbledegook. To me when I read Ray's replies they are crystal clear. I get it!! Their stuff is nothing-no substance, no understanding, just anger toward someone who dare go against their pet "hell doctrine". Amazing isn't it! Your eyes aren't open until He opens them.
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Yes, they are blind on our account, for our mercy. I try not to forget that. But we must expose these heretics and pray God keeps us on the path of the few.
That being said, the devil needs to get new help, cause these people aint foolin anybody. :o
Sorin:
Why can't these people just refute Ray with Scripture and not refer to childish namecalling? I mean how do they figure " O apprentice of Satan"? why would an "Apprentice of Satan" bother to create a site like www.bible-truths.com
,bother to write all those papers, and do it all for free? Ray (and Mike too) has nothing to sell, where does Ray ever withhold something in one of his papers and say "you can know the rest of this for only $99.99"? but when you listen to any Christian radio, or watch any Christian television show, YOU WILL ALWAYS SEE THEM TRYING TO SELL YOU SOMETHING!! and that's exactly what they do , they tell you half of something that may sound interesting, and you may think like man this guy knows what his talking about, and you want to know the rest of what he has to say,but just then you
hear that FALSEPROPHET signature"you can know the rest for only...".
In other words, you gotta buy his cd or book or whatever.
SteveB:
--- Quote ---Why can't these people just refute Ray with Scripture and not refer to childish namecalling? I mean how do they figure " O apprentice of Satan"? why would an "Apprentice of Satan"
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Because that all they have is namecalling. And LAME names at that..."O Apprentice of Satan"LOL!! This guys been reading to much Shakesphere.
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and you may think like man this guy knows what his talking about, and you want to know the rest of what he has to say,but just then you
hear that FALSEPROPHET signature"you can
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know the rest for only...".
So true. And this includes 99.9% of all 'Chirstindom'. Few does indeed mean few.
ugthemc:
I thought he had some good points
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41 Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;
42 for I did hunger, and ye gave me not to eat; I did thirst, and ye gave me not to drink;
43 a stranger I was, and ye did not receive me; naked, and ye put not around me; infirm, and in prison, and ye did not look after me.
44 `Then shall they answer, they also, saying, Lord, when did we see thee hungering, or thirsting, or a stranger, or naked, or infirm, or in prison, and we did not minister to thee?
45 `Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say to you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of these, the least, ye did [it] not to me.
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In verse 41, the mathew says that the 'cursed 'would go to fire... That definitely sounds LITERAL to me...
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And let us read what the Prophet Daniel had to say concerning the resurrection of the dead.
Daniel 12 (Amplified)
2And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake: some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting contempt and abhorrence.
Some will be raised to everlasting contempt and abhorrence. Is this possible if all will be saved?
Obviously this could not happen in heaven. Those who die in their sin will eventually be raised for judgement and cast into the lake of fire, where they will spend eternity.
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I also find it quite peculiar how you like to use a translation of an entire verse but then transliterate everlasting into eonian (which should have been transliterated aionian). Why do you do this? Is it because eternal punishment doesn't fit your Universalist Theology? Yes, this is the reason. Do you also transliterate that verse eonian life? I've found out that the Concordant Literal New Testament is the pet Bible of Universalists. I made the mistake of thinking you were a Jehovah's Witness before I fully read your material. I apologize. Anyway...
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You also have not shown me how unholy, unscriptural, or untrue my arguments are. In fact you only addressed one argument. And in your response to that argument you said things that were not even true. The fact is that you cannot refute my arguments with scriptures rightly divided. You can however lift verses out of their setting, transliterate a few words in an attempt to confuse me or play on my lack of understanding the Greek language. You can twist scriptures and add your own spin and interpretation to them. But you cannot take God's Word, study it prayerfully and truthfully, rightly divide it, and then use it to correct me. This sir is what I did to you. You can't refute truth with truth. But I did, can, and will continue to refute false teaching (that's your teaching) with the Word of Truth.
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I thought the top three quotes were interesting as well.... what makes the Concordand Literal New Testament bible translations the most 'correct'?? What's the 'best' translation?
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