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phyllis:
In Gen. are the tree of good and evil and the tree of life the same tree? Are they two different trees? Where, and who I am right now, is who and where I should be at this very moment? How does predestined work? What would have happen if I decide to go to Iraq, would I still have met my spouse? Lived through Katrine, Lost everything and still predestined to live in a fema match box? Was this God's plan since I was born? This is a hard pill to take.
God bless you and yours
musicman:
--- Quote from: phyllis on April 05, 2008, 10:01:43 AM ---In Gen. are the tree of good and evil and the tree of life the same tree? Are they two different trees? Where, and who I am right now, is who and where I should be at this very moment? How does predestined work? What would have happen if I decide to go to Iraq, would I still have met my spouse? Lived through Katrine, Lost everything and still predestined to live in a fema match box? Was this God's plan since I was born? This is a hard pill to take.
God bless you and yours
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The story of Job comes to mind.
Little Joe:
--- Quote from: phyllis on April 05, 2008, 10:01:43 AM ---In Gen. are the tree of good and evil and the tree of life the same tree? Are they two different trees? Where, and who I am right now, is who and where I should be at this very moment? How does predestined work? What would have happen if I decide to go to Iraq, would I still have met my spouse? Lived through Katrine, Lost everything and still predestined to live in a fema match box? Was this God's plan since I was born? This is a hard pill to take.
God bless you and yours
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Well, God Bless you Phyillis, and I am sorry for your troubles. I can't really answer your first few questions, I guess I haven't really given that much thoiught. But from my perspective on going through hard times, the Lord always teaches me something, or I develop some positive character trait that He works in me. I just believe there is a purpose for everything we go through, no matter how dismal they may seem. I hope that helps, and I'll pray for your situation.
Love in Christ,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: phyllis on April 05, 2008, 10:01:43 AM ---
In Gen. are the tree of good and evil and the tree of life the same tree? Are they two different trees?
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Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat and live forever:
Hi Phyllis,
This verse seems to put that thought to rest, we are presently in this age (and for many in the age to come as well) digesting the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, as we endure, learn and are purified by the trials and tribulations we are presented with as we journey on the path God has laid out for each and every one of us as unique creations.
Once our lessons are learned and our will is in alignment with His will we will fully partake of the Tree of Life which is Christ, not in the flesh but in His Spirit, for we (and eventually all creation) will be like Him.
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
His Peace to you,
Joe
phazel:
--- Quote from: phyllis on April 05, 2008, 10:01:43 AM ---In Gen. are the tree of good and evil and the tree of life the same tree? Are they two different trees? Where, and who I am right now, is who and where I should be at this very moment? How does predestined work? What would have happen if I decide to go to Iraq, would I still have met my spouse? Lived through Katrine, Lost everything and still predestined to live in a fema match box? Was this God's plan since I was born? This is a hard pill to take.
God bless you and yours
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I'm not sure if we know how predestination works other than maybe an analogy of pretending a computer is an aware and conscious thing. No matter what the computer would like to do, it will end up doing what its programming was design to cause it to do.
It appears to us that we are in control, the younger we are the harder it is to see how we are not in control at all.
We also are under the impression that we can only attribute good things to Gods work, plan and purpose.
I do not like to water things down, the most horrific thing to our minds that happens was intended to happen. If that is not so then ecclesiastes 3:1 and other verses that witness it cannot be true.
Yes, it is hard to contemplate because we have been taught mans reasoning concerning fairness, justice, mercy and love and sometimes our reasoning does not add up to plain statements in scripture.
I also write this admitting that I do not always measure up to believing it myself, I question and ponder but when I get into scripture I come back to the same answer.
God is in control, period, and man cannot change or determine his destiny that God has already designed.
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