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What ARE we saved from?
Matt:
In one of Ray's recent emails he wrote
--- Quote ---Surprising as it may sound, there is not one Scripture in the entirety of the Bible which states that Jesus came to "save us from HELL." Why do you suppose that is? Because Jesus does NOT save us from hell. Jesus saves us from such evil, and foolishness, and pride, and vanity, and evil, and pain, and suffering, and disease, and fear, and sin, and DEATH.
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My wife just asked me this question this weekend! She wondered, what are we saved from ????
Does anyone have a list of all the scriptures that say what we are saved from to go with Ray's email?
I sense that my wife is getting close to asking me all the "right" questions and I am very excited ;D
Please, nobody needs to start this from scratch, I was just checking to see if anyone did this already to give me a headstart.
Thanks in advance,
Matt
Chris R:
Hi Matt,
One doesn't have to believe in a fabled Hell of eternal torture to realize that there is plenty to be saved from! How about saved from sin and evil? What about being saved from ourselves? What about being saved from weakness, stupidity, ignorance, foolishness and vanity? What about being saved from corruption, immorality, mortality and death? [Ray Smith] "letter to Haggee"
Thought you might like the above quote
Chris R
Stevernator:
Hi Matt,
Mat 1:21 Now she shall be bringing forth a Son, and you shall be calling His name Jesus, for He shall be saving His people from their sins."
1Sa 4:3 And the people comes in unto the camp, and the elders of Israel say, `Why has Yahweh smitten us to-day before the Philistines? we take unto us from Shiloh the ark of the covenant of Yahweh, and it comes into our midst, and He does save us out of the hand of our enemies.
Jdg 2:16 And Yahweh raises up judges, and they save them from the hand of their spoilers;"
1Ch 16:35 And say, Save us, O Elohim of our salvation, And gather us, and deliver us from the nations, To give thanks to Your holy name, To triumph in Your praise.
Neh 9:27 and You give them into the hand of their adversaries, and they distress them, and in the time of their distress they cry unto You, and You, from the heavens, do hear, and, according to Your abundant mercies, do give to them saviours, and they save them out of the hand of their adversaries.
Psa 37:40 And Yahweh shall help them and deliver them; He shall deliver them from the wicked and save them, For they took refuge in Him."
OT was usually about being saved from enemies but the gospel is about being saved from our sins.
Isa 1:18 Go, pray and it shall be corrected,saying is Yahweh. "If your sins are coming to be as double dipped scarlet, as snow shall they be white. If they are reddened as crimson, as wool shall they become.
Peace,
Steve
PS There are many more scriptures about being saved from enemies in the OT. Here is another interesting one.
Psa 109:31 For He is standing at the right hand of the needy one, In order to save him from those judging his soul."
David:
I think ultimatley we are saved from death. All of the things Ray lists can be attributed to sin. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
All of our human flaws are sin, which the bible says leads to death. 1 Cor 15:26-28 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be All in All.
chav:
Hi
--- Quote ---One doesn't have to believe in a fabled Hell of eternal torture to realize that there is plenty to be saved from! How about saved from sin and evil? What about being saved from ourselves? What about being saved from weakness, stupidity, ignorance, foolishness and vanity? What about being saved from corruption, immorality, mortality and death?
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Good point. I have come to the understanding that the more I learn of God's truth and the incredible demands it places on me,the more I realise that I need a saviour now. I think Paul summed it up nicely in Romans.
For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. Rom 7:18
For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Roman 7:22-23
that's me for sure
Dave
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