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hillsbororiver:
 Matthew 4

 1Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

 2And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

 3And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

 4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

 5Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

 6And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

 7Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

 8Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

 9And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

 10Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

 11Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

Kat:

Hi Micah7:9,

Here is an excerpt from a commentary that I feel will give you some info. as to this name Satan and I do not believe that it is in opposition to what Ray teaches.

Albert Barnes ~
Job 1:6  Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

"And Satan came also among them" - Margin, “The adversary” came “in the midst of them.”
On the general meaning of this passage, the doctrine of the existence of an evil spirit of the character ascribed in this book to Satan, was early known to the Hebrews. It was known in the time of Ahab, when, it is said, the Lord had put a lying spirit in the mouth of the prophets, 1Ki_22:22-23, and the belief of such an evil spirit must have been early prevalent.

The Vulgate renders this by the name “Satan.”
The Septuagint: ὁ διάβολος ho diabolos - the devil, or the accuser.
The Chaldee, סטנא  saṭenā', “Satan.” So the Syriac.
Theodotion, ὁ ἀντικείμενος  ho antikeimenos - “the adversary.”
The word rendered “Satan” שׂטן  śâṭân is derived from שׂטן  śâṭan “Satan,” to lie in wait, to be an adversary, and hence, it means properly an adversary, an accuser. It is used to denote one who “opposes,” as in war 1Ki_11:14, 1Ki_11:23, 1Ki_11:25; 1Sa_29:4; one who is an adversary or an accuser in a court of justice Psa_109:6, and one who stands in the way of another; Num_22:22, “And the angel of yahweh stood in the way for an adversary against him” לה לשׂטן  leśâṭân lôh, “to oppose him.”

It is then used by way of eminence, to denote the “adversary,” and assumes the form of a proper name, and is applied to the great foe of God and man - the malignant spirit who seduces people to evil, and who accuses them before God.
Thus, in Zec_3:1-2, “And he showed me Joshua the priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan;”
compare Rev_12:10, “Now is come salvation -for the accuser ὁ κατηγορῶν  ho katēgorōn - that is, Satan- (see Rev_12:9) of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.” 

The word does not often occur in the Old Testament. It is found in the various forms of a verb and a noun in only the following places.
As a verb, in the sense of being an adversary, Psa_71:13; Psa_109:4, Psa_109:20, Psa_109:29; Zec_3:1; Psa_38:20;
as a noun, rendered “adversary” and “adversaries,” 1Ki_5:4; 1Ki_11:14, 1Ki_11:23, 1Ki_11:25; Num_22:22, Num_22:32; 1Sa_29:4; 2Sa_19:22; rendered “Satan,” 1Ch_21:1; Psa_109:6; Job_1:6-9, Job_1:12; Job_2:1-4, Job_2:6-7; Zec_3:2;
and once rendered “an accusation,” Ezr_4:6.
It was a word, therefore, early used in the sense of an adversary or accuser, and was applied to anyone who sustained this character, until it finally came to be used as a proper name, to denote, by way of eminence, the prince of evil spirits, as the adversary or accuser of people.
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I hope this helps  :)

mercy, peace and love
Kat

dave:
It was the word "assume" that caught my eye. I a have just again finished Rays article on the trinity and he spoke alot about the use of theory and other conjectures to prove....I am not denying the adversay, nor his abilities, but I still contend there is not(that I can find) a physical description of the opposer, the accuser, in the Bible. But, christianity and religion will spout Dante and Miltons description and people accept it; just who or what was Jesus speaking to when He spoke to Peter, for He certainly directed it towards Peter. When Jesus spoke when He was tempted, to "what, " did he direct His speak? I do not believe the carnal mind is, satan at least not totally. Ive wondered of this for awhile and I do respect your knowledge. :-\

mharrell08:

--- Quote from: micah7:9 on April 09, 2008, 08:40:12 AM ---It was the word "assume" that caught my eye. I a have just again finished Rays article on the trinity and he spoke alot about the use of theory and other conjectures to prove....I am not denying the adversay, nor his abilities, but I still contend there is not(that I can find) a physical description of the opposer, the accuser, in the Bible. But, christianity and religion will spout Dante and Miltons description and people accept it; just who or what was Jesus speaking to when He spoke to Peter, for He certainly directed it towards Peter. When Jesus spoke when He was tempted, to "what, " did he direct His speak? I do not believe the carnal mind is, satan at least not totally. Ive wondered of this for awhile and I do respect your knowledge. :-\

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What do you mean when you say a "physical description"? Do you mean something physical or tangible that defines Satan?

You ask "who" was Jesus speaking to or directing his speech to...the same one that God was in Gen. 3:15 ("And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel").  Do you believe our Lord needed to "physically see" Satan to rebuke him when he was tempted in the wilderness or through Peter who opposed the will of God? Satan is a spirit which one never physically sees. I ask questions to only help not to try to belittle. Often questions instead of point blank statements help people understand better.

phazel:
Does Satan really carry a pitchfork?

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