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Worlds most prominant atheist stumped.
indianabob:
Phazel,
Not sure if this is helpful, but please consider the idea of Cryptic Genes.
That is genetic structures in each animal or plant that do not surface until the need arises or until the environment changes in which case the existing animal adapts to its environment. An example may be the Polar Bear and it white fur. What is to say that God did not provide genetic structures in the Bear kind that would remain recessive until needed?
Why must we believe that all animals or plants have only one purpose or one way of living. Why cannot a fresh water fish adapt to sea water over time without becoming a different creation or benefiting from evolution in which the animal makes volitional choices? Consider Salmon and their habits. In the same way it seems that folks who promoted the New Eugenics in the end of the 19th century, promoted the idea that the various races had to be generated independently on different continents rather than the idea that all races came from two original members of the human species.
Check our Cryptic Genes. They have been investigated and the literature defends the idea. Adaptations were provided for at the creation by the creator.
Bob
Kat:
I remembered that Ray had spoken a little about this at the Nashville conference last year, here is an excerpt from the transcript.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html ----
When I first started studying the Bible, 40 years ago, the one thing that struck me about evolution, was the eye. How do you evolve an eye? When did a creature that didn’t have an eye, decide he wanted one? And maybe one of his buddies said, you know if you’re going to go for the eye thing, go for 2. But you know they had no mouth either, so he really couldn’t talk and had no brain either. But he said, what do you mean 2? His buddy said, you know dept perception, if you’re going to have eyes, you’re going to need 2 to get this thing called dept perception, it’s really an elusion in the brain, it’s not real.
And that evolved from sea slime? No.
Listen, through mutations only one in a hundred generations, of most animals, produce any kind of mutation, ok. And mutations are usually bad, they are detrimental to the health of the creature. Let’s suppose that once in a while you have a mutation that is of some kind of benefit and in this case we’re going to work on an eye. How many mutations would you have to have, in a row, through evolution, beneficial to start constructing an eye? Well somewhere around a trillion. That is if you had a trillion consecutive mutations, that were all positive and beneficial, and they were all directed to constructing an eye. What are the chances of that? One in a trillion quardrillion trillion. You see what I mean. And that’s every hundredth generation or whatever. How many billion and trillion and quadrillions generations would it take? It would take millions of times longer than the universe was here.
Did the human eye evolve? No, it did not. Every time you look at an eye you know there is a God. Not only does the eye see, the eye doesn’t ‘see’, it’s the brain that sees. What? Yea, you need the eyes, but the brain sees through the eyes, the eye doesn’t see anything. The eye is dumb. Now you have this eye and you have to connect it to a brain that interprets what all this is. And that evolved out of chance? With no intelligence? All you have to know is you have 2 eyes and that is proof positive, there is a God! That is unequivocal proof, there’s a God. You can’t even begin to imagine your way around that in evolution, there’s no way.
Well evolutionist will say, if you got enough time. How many trillions of years do you want? Because even that isn’t enough time. So yes, there is a God. To make eyes, He must be pretty bright. If He gave us a brain and we can think subjectively He‘s pretty wise. I mean you keep adding these attributes of what God is and He just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
phazel:
--- Quote from: indianabob on April 17, 2008, 10:30:02 PM ---Phazel,
Not sure if this is helpful, but please consider the idea of Cryptic Genes.
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Not sure what you think I need help with.
--- Quote ---Check our Cryptic Genes. They have been investigated and the literature defends the idea. Adaptations were provided for at the creation by the creator.
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I've never said I doubted creation. What I am pointing out is the difference between a possibility that is faith based and the scientific method. Please show scientifically that they were provided by the creator.
lilitalienboi16:
Since we are all debating evolution i thought i would throw my chime in.
One thing that has always come to my mind when it comes to evolution and the first cell that evolved is this;
Somewhere along the line the cell changed into an organism that required blood to survive. Everyone knows that without blood, the person, animal, what have you in question will die. We also know that without the body, blood itself cannot exist. [Without human intervension that is, no scientific test tubes and what not.]
The delima becomes that of the chicken and the egg. Which came first? Did evolution develope a body for which an animal could exist in first and than evolve blood, or did blood come first and than the body. How about both at the same time? The problem is so monumental that this alone puts a big dent in the theory of evolution.
One must also consider DNA. We all know that DNA contains the code for who we are physicaly and apperently who we are mentaly through new scientific research. So what came first, the organims or the DNA? We know that without the DNA the organism could not exist and without the organism the DNA would have no place to exist. So what do we do? Once again the chicken and the egg.
Another thing one must consider are the different blood types. Why did evolution create the variouse blood types in animals and humans? Blood type A, blood type B, furthermore how was this done? What natural influence of the enviroment and mutation caused such a variety in blood types we see today?
I have yet to find anyone nor any scientist to date, provide an answer for this other than "We don't know right now."
If someone can answer this than please do.. otherwise i rest my case for why it is a THEORY.
God bless,
Alex
kweli:
--- Quote from: phazel on April 17, 2008, 10:34:50 PM ---Please show scientifically that they were provided by the creator.
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It seems the eye is not proof enough
Jesus walked on water...The waters parted and Moses and Israelites passed right through...Lazarus, a dead man, walked out of a tomb...
How do I scientifically prove that? I honestly cant. And I'm glad I cant. Because then I could almost be like the One who does these things. But let me not have a one track mind about this. We do need proof of these things.
The sun. It is part of the creation (or evolution?). How could the sun possibly come to be? The moon? The stars? The galaxy?
I still cant prove these. But it directs me more and more to acknowledging a source greater than my mere understanding. And that is where GOD shows up.
All glory to Him
BTW, did you know that there was a time in the bible when the sun shone all day and didnt move? All day. I cant prove such things to you or anybody. Sorry for being of so little help.
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