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joyful1:
I know what you mean, Gena-- the entire FOUNDATION of the house that they've built for themselves is being shaken and if they begin to think about the lies of hell, it feels as though the FOUNDATION is going to be washed away! (which of course it WILL be!) The beast wants "a certain dwelling place" ....demands that they (us) never give in to accepting the house to be destroyed! you know?

We've been "given" the ears to hear.....the test now is to realise that it WAS GIVEN to us....we cannot act like it was NOT a gift--right?

(just thinking out loud here, Gena...I know that you are grateful for His gifts, that is very apparent in you! I hope that I will always be grateful for His gifts also! )

John 3:27
John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

1 Corinthians 4:7
For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

Joyce :)

kweli:

--- Quote from: winner08 on April 20, 2008, 02:00:34 PM ---If one is to beleive this, then you are say that Satan is more powerful than God Himself

--- End quote ---

I once asked someone what they think worship is. They said it is giving glory to God. Then I asked, when we condemn most of the population to a hellhole for all eternity, who are we giving glory to?(actually, I wanted to ask when last they actually worshipped/gave glory to God  ;D) I couldnt believe their answer could possibly be God. Then I asked, if god doesnt win in the end, why do we bother worshipping him. What if he cant take control of his own kingdom and he gets overthrown somehow. I mean after all he didnt win the first time...

Apparently Im a devil worshipper. Former fellow church folks are now careful when around me. I might just start praying in some demonic language (hmm, where have I seen that before?) and get them possessed or something  :D :D :D

All Glory to Him
May He have mercy on all of us

Martinz:
Other than a brief peek on L Ray's rave on hell, I haven't yet looked at it proper, so I have to say, at this point: "I don't know".

But, what I really want to say is, and it follows on from what the previous posts have been saying:
Belief in eternal hell is part of the Church's agenda as a tactic to 'scaremonger' people into having faith in God - but the hidden agenda is that people's belief in hell is also 'grooming' them into a dependency upon the church; kind of saying: "Believe what we tell you - or else!!!" This 'church agenda' seems to indicate the 'fruit' that the church is more concerned more about its power over the people than it is in bringing God's truth to the people. We all need to try and understand the tactics that the church uses to deceive people in this way 'cause there is so much of it around. Then we can understand why conventional Christian's get sooo confronted by L Ray's teachings as it challenges their fixed preconceived dogma's. Maybe established churches need to realize that they don't have an answer for everything and that the kingdom and ways of God are mysterious. Of course the churches don't want to admit this because it takes power away from them - because, guess where the real power comes from?

Ultimately, we don't have any confirmation of the 'afterlife' until we cross the 'other side', so perhaps people need to focus more on 'life before death' rather than 'life after death'. This seems to be the attitude of the Quakers, who don't want to impose any beliefs on their congregation concerning either the afterlife or endtime prophesies. I tend to agree with this.

Phil3:10:
Martinz,
I do so very much agree with your assessment of why traditional, institutionalized, organized, denominational churches hold on to and cherish the concept of hell. It is power and control that they truly seek. It is their way or the highway and there is a virtual cafeteria of beliefs to fit each person. If anyone is unhappy they can break off and create their own system. Most of these Babylonian churches will never realize that it is only CHRIST and nothing else.
Phil 3:10

Vangie:
Hi Martinz,
I understand you're not too involved in Ray's writings as of yet, but you would probably enjoy Ray's "An Encouraging Word About Death" in the middle of the home page.  Based on your post that mentions "afterlife" and the "other side", I bet you'd really enjoy the article in relation to your studies.  It puts a whole different spin on how you absorb and appreciate scripture and the good news of the gospel!  Personally, I got a lot out of that one to dispel the confusion and contradictions that churchianity teaches.  Steve and all, hope you don't mind that I suggested the article; this thread really seems appropriate for the subject! :)  I sent the link to some of my own family members, but it wasn't His will (yet?!) to open their minds and eyes to absorb the concept.  They continue to believe that dead grandparents are either looking down on us or frying eternally, depending on which ones we're talking about.  Kat's post about indoctrination of the church's beliefs describes the causality of this viewpoint so well!     

In His Love,
Vangie

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