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Adam and Eve DNA
mharrell08:
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--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on April 24, 2008, 01:32:30 PM ---Incorrect? That's a bold statement to make.
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I qualified my assertions to the literal. The bible is one huge metaphor, if the story of adam eve is indeed 100% literal, then there is a contradiction in saying that literally adam the literal man is the cause.
The points made towards me show that the explanations cannot be made in the literal, so the story cannot be physically literal.
If the name adam is representative of the woman eve and 2 becoming one is represented by the name adam, then the story is not completely literal.
Literally a race of males and females were created, but metaphorically the story is a representation of mankind as a whole.
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Everything in the OT physically "literally" happened but we all know that "for our admonition" that all these things have a spiritual meaning. Sodom and Gomorrah was "physically and literally" destroyed but of course Ezekiel 16:55 states that "spiritual" Sodom will return to her for estate.
"Adam and Eve are the spiritual symbols"...that is not scriptural. There was nothing spiritual about Adam and Eve as they were carnal minded and disobedient to the Word of God There were the physical creation as we all are. They are not "new creatures through Jesus Christ" so therefore they are not spiritual.
But as you first stated in your original post "Personally I think" , your thoughts are yours whether they contradict scripture or not. No person can change your mind. I believe with all the scriptures you have been given with Ray's teaching throughout the site, the truth is there. Whether you believe them is a different matter.
Marques
phazel:
--- Quote ---I believe with all the scriptures you have been given with Ray's teaching throughout the site, the truth is there. Whether you believe them is a different matter.
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Ray has said that the "whole" bible is a metaphor. So does Ray contradict now?
mharrell08:
A metaphor for a bigger spiritual meaning. That's not saying that the metaphor being used does not "physically, literally" exist. Do you not believe the Israelites "physically & literally" walk through the Red Sea? But you also know that their physical baptism through the Red Sea is what we must "spiritually" do being "baptized into His death" with Christ. Everything the Israelites did "physically & literally" is what we must do "spiritually" through Christ.
The only one who seems to contradict scripture is you Phazel. Why not email Ray or PM the mods with your thoughts and see if they can help you to understand because this post is not going anywhere except further arguing.
Marques
ericsteven:
Here is how I see Romans 5:12:
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin...
From the moment he was created Adam was a physical model of perfection, but in his heart, he was just as carnal and spiritually immature as you or I. Sin did not just present itself when Eve lusted after the fruit and then took of it; it was already in her heart, just as it was already in Adam’s heart, even though he had not transgressed or gone against God’s commandment before Eve gave him the fruit.
How can transgression of God’s law or sin manifest itself outwardly if it is not already present within our heart? Mark 7:21-23 says:
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
One cannot physically murder another unless the murder was not already present in his heart. Physical adultery does not occur unless one has already committed adultery in his heart. Everything comes from the heart. In like manner, neither Adam nor Eve would have transgressed God’s commandment if the sin had not already been in their hearts.
So, while the argument that Adam was the head of Eve and that he was to rule over her makes sense, for me it makes more sense to understand that Adam had sin in his heart from the very moment he was created, though he didn’t transgress the commandment until Eve gave him the fruit. That is how sin came into the world; because God created us, including the first man Adam, “subject to vanity” (Romans 8:20), subject to the lusts of our own hearts.
Thoughts?
Eric
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: phazel on April 24, 2008, 01:41:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on April 24, 2008, 01:32:30 PM ---Incorrect? That's a bold statement to make.
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I qualified my assertions to the literal. The bible is one huge metaphor, if the story of adam eve is indeed 100% literal, then there is a contradiction in saying that literally adam the literal man is the cause.
Actualy that's not true. That is incorrect because we are told the FIRST is NATURAL and AFTERWARDS that which is SPIRITUAL. So how is the story of adam and eve being literal a contradiction? Your understanding has caused this. I firmly believe adam and eve is indeed a historical account of the beginning as well as spiritual. Why? We are told.
1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural [The historical account.]; and afterward that which is spiritual.[The spiritual metephar behind the story]
The points made towards me show that the explanations cannot be made in the literal, so the story cannot be physically literal.
You've built your house on sand. It won't stand. This argument is a strawman argument. Their is nothing in your "explanation" that shows the story is not literal and therefor a contradiction if taken so.
If the name adam is representative of the woman eve and 2 becoming one is represented by the name adam, then the story is not completely literal.
Literally a race of males and females were created, but metaphorically the story is a representation of mankind as a whole.
All i have to say to the rest of this is, uh.. what?
God be with you,
Alex
P.S. All i can see here is that your understanding of the scriptures has caused a contradiction and not the scriptures themselves that contradict.
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