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Adam and Eve DNA
ericsteven:
Hi all,
I'm pretty sure that Ray believes that Adam and Eve were literal people. From Part 9 of the Lake of Fire series Ray writes:
- Satan entered Eden as "that Old Serpent [Satan]" and deceived Eve to eat of the forbidden fruit. Satan didn’t sneak into the garden against God’s will. He performed a needful task with our first parents. God knew what Satan was going to do to Adam and Eve. God did not try to prevent it. It is all part of God’s master plan. -
Why would Ray refer to them as our first parents if he thought that they were only metaphorical? He also refers to Adam and Eve as our "first parents" in Part A of "The Myth of Free Will" as well as others. I believe he teaches that, yes, there are spiritual lessons to be learned from the account of Adam and Eve, but not that Adam and Eve themselves are simply metaphorical symbols that never really existed. Mods, please correct me if I am wrong.
Also, the Scriptures tell us that Adam named his wife Eve because she was "the mother of all living" (Gen 3:20). How could she be described in the Scriptures as "the mother of all living" if God had created other people outside the garden already?
As far as the question concerning DNA: No doubt that Adam and Eve were in perhaps all ways the most physically perfect specimans of the human race ever to live on the face of the earth. Please don't confuse what I said there. I understand that spiritually they were extremely weak, but physically their DNA would have been flawless. It would take many, many, many years for the flaws and mutations that are present in our DNA today to begin to have an effect on the humans of that time. So, I have no problem understanding that Cain married his sister and had children without deformities and such because their DNA would have been pretty much as close to pure as one can have. It wasn't until the law of Moses (Leviticus 18-20) that God outlawed this practice of marrying your sister, perhaps because He knew that enough time had passed for genetic mutations and flaws to accrue enough to where they would begin to have a detrimental effect on those children born through brother/sister and other close blood relative unions.
And no, I am not a young earth creationist. I agree with Ray that there are just as many flaws with that point of belief than there are with evolution. Although I believe the earth to be much older than 6,000 years (i.e. the creation days are not literal 24 hour days), I don't think there is any reason to think that mankind's time on the earth from Adam to now is any more than 6,000 - 10,000 years.
I look forward to Ray's discussion on these topics in September.
God bless, Eric
Here's a reply from Ray on that same question:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4542.0.html
Dear Teresa:
It is amazing that such simple a question has stumped countless generations of believers.
Cain obviously married one of His sisters. This practice was allowed in the early stages of man replenishing of the earth. Tradition tells us that Adam and Eve had SEVENTY children. They lived 900 years you know. "And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years, and he begat sons AND DAUGHTERS" (Gen. 5:4).
God be with you,
Ray
KristaD:
Hmmm that's very good point about Eve's name ??? Never thought of that. I know they are literal people. The DNA thing makes sense too, but still not sure if I believe that He didn't make other people....
mharrell08:
Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living
All came from Eve as all came from Adam.
Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
Morality passed from Adam to all his seed which is all of mankind. Has their been a seed from Adam that did not die? Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit (Matt 1:20) not by a man so He of course would not count (although he did DIE). These scriptures contradict the notion that God created others outside of Adam and Eve. All of humanity came from Adam and Eve.
Marques
phazel:
"Romans 5:12"
If this is not a spiritual aspect, then it is indeed incorrect. Eve Sinned first so why would it not be more accurate to say through "one woman"?
If it is the literal we are talking about, then the sin entered the world through a woman.
"Anthropos" is translated human.
phazel:
There is only "one" humanity or human race and there is only "one" spiritual race because ALL is out of the "one" God.
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