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berny:
thanks for your reply gary, it really helps knowing i can discuss the bible and god with people who think the same and do not think i am crazy, the truth really does set you free and love is what really counts.
thanks berny  :D

Sorin:

--- Quote from: berny ---hi my name is berny just thought i would introduce myself and say hi. i have been searching the internet for ages trying to find things that make sense not just the normal mainstream christian thinking and i am so glad i came across this site.who do you think jesus actually is?
berny
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Welcome Berny, glad you decided to join us in this vast world of cyberspace.
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You ask who we think Jesus actually is. I'll let Him answer.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

Rev. 1:8

gmik:
Welcome Bernie, and happy Mother's Day! (Just thought we needed a touch of estrogen on this thread-they're not all guys here!)

lilitalienboi16:

--- Quote from: berny ---thanks guys for your answers to my question.a chat room would be a great addition to this site maybe one day soon.
As to jesus, i was brought up a catholic but could never get my head round the trinity, to me jesus always seemed to be the son of god not god himself. I have studied with jehovahs witnessess, and the mormons, read loads on the web things that support the trinity and other sites that do not. I have been reading rays site when i can i have two children and a husband who all want time on the computer so i can not stay on as long as i would like, i am sure by the time i finish reading everything jesus will be much clearer, i guess i was wanting someone just to spell it out plain and simple.Is Jesus god or really gods son. I just want to know so i can finally have peace of mind and love him properly.
look forward to hearing from you all.
thanks berny :?  :?
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JESUS IS GOD. HE IS THE SON OF GOD. However... THERE IS NO THIRD BEING TO JESUS AND GOD THE FATHER. These are some of the Scriptures about Jesus's Identity.

"For even if so be that there are those being termed gods, whether in heaven or on earth, even as there are many gods and many lords, nevertheless for US there is ONE God, the FATHER, out of Whom ALL IS, and we for Him, and ONE LORD, JESUS CHRIST, through Whom all is, and we through Him" (I Cor. 8:5-6).

Where or how did Jesus come about into existence?

"...I [Jesus] came OUT from God. I CAME OUT FROM the FATHER..." (John 16:27-28).

For there is ONE God, and ONE Mediator OF God and mankind, a MAN Christ Jesus..." (I Tim. 2:5).

Jesus plainly tells:

"...I am going to the Father, for the Father is GREATER than I" (John 14:28).

So who exactly is Jesus in relationship to God?

Who [Jesus Christ] is the Image of the invisible God, FIRSTBORN of every creature, for in Him is ALL CREATED, that in the heavens and that on the earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or sovereignties, or authorities, all is created THROUGH Him and FOR Him, and He is BEFORE all, and all has its cohesion in Him" (Col. 14-17).

"Now I want you to be aware that the Head of every man is Christ, yet the head of the woman is the man, yet the Head of Christ IS GOD" (I Cor. 11:3).


Jesus One day will subject HIMSELF to GOD THE FATHER.

"Now, whenever ALL may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself [Jesus Christ] also SHALL BE SUBJECTED TO HIM [God the Father] Who subjects all to Him, that GOD may be All in all"

So as you can see, Jesus is Clearly of God, but the best way to Explain Jesus is with these Scriptures, and i always looked at Him as the way Ray put it.

Man and Women cleave to eachother and become ONE FLESH. So is God the Father and Jesus ONE in this same thought. To expound on this, i believe Ray says that Jesus has a GOD, but GOD THE FATHER DOES NOT. Still with all thsi there is no THIRD BEING to God the Father. There is only CHRIST JESUS. Who is the "IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD."

The Reason Jesus Can say that He is God yet God the Father is greater then Him is because:

"Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I[GOD THE FATHER]be greater than thou." (Gensis 41:40)


This was taken from another post i made in another thread, hope it helps shed some light on who Jesus really is :)

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