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Was the Apocrypha included in the original KJV meant to be canonical?
David:
I read an article about the so called lost book of Enoch a while back. As far as Jewish scholars can find out, the book did not exist before 200 BC, which would mean if it was an account of Enoch's prophesies, then it was handed down by aural tradition for almost 2000 years. Although I have never read it myself, I know of people that have and they say its mostly plagiarized from Is, Jer and Ez.
chav:
Hi
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what about the book of Enoch that gets quoted in Jude ?
It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, Jude 1:14
why does this appear in the scriptures ?
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What are Paul's sources for the above quotation as well as the preceeding verses concerning Jannes and Jambres and the dispute regarding Mose's body? If they are cited couldn't it be argued that they could be considered scripture? Are they even found in the Apocrypha ?
cheers
Dave UK
Akira329:
Verses like this make me weary:
Simon Peter said to them: Let Mary go forth from among us, for women are not worthy of the life. Jesus said: Behold, I shall lead her, that I may make her male, in order that she also may become a living spirit like you males. For every woman who makes herself male shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Thats from the Gospel of Thomas
It obviously contradicts this verse:
2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Roy Monis:
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What about the gospel of Thomas, does anyone know anything about that?
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I have some books that contain just about all the so called "secret" and "hidden" gospels that have been restored, translated and published so far. There are still some findings that are being authenticated and painstakingly restored, one of particular interest is the so called "Gospel of the Nazarene", reported to possibly be written by Christ himself, although many experts are saying that this assertion is totally spurious, that any number of people could have been titled "A Nazarene".
Of the ones that have been published I have found nothing in them that tell us anything we don't already have in the Canonical Gospels. The Gospel of Thomas, if indeed it is genuine because many say it isn't, is simply a series of anecdotal sayings from Jesus Christ, many of which are found in the four Gospels in the Bible, the odd few that are not are both unrevealing and pretty pointless.
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Hi! David
I agree I have downloaded and read the Gospel of Thomas and, as you say, there is nothing other than quotes from various sayings of Jesus. More interesting however are the two Books of Esdras who appears to be the Ezra we are more familiar with, but his prophesies are more in keeping with 32 AD than 400BC. What do you think. Here is the link if you haven't already got it; http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hti.umich.edu%2Fk%2Fkjv%2Fbrowse.html&ei=lvAeSP_JMI7M0gTQ68TeDA&usg=AFQjCNHwO7YMyN72Q1yfm6mTNWaf0-sr4w&sig2=hDGBLS4VjtJokjq2m0UFEA
God bless you and yours.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Dave UK on May 06, 2008, 09:34:02 AM ---Hi
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what about the book of Enoch that gets quoted in Jude ?
It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, Jude 1:14
why does this appear in the scriptures ?
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What are Paul's sources for the above quotation as well as the preceeding verses concerning Jannes and Jambres and the dispute regarding Mose's body? If they are cited couldn't it be argued that they could be considered scripture? Are they even found in the Apocrypha ?
cheers
Dave UK
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Hi Dave,
Apparently Paul was quoting Jewish oral traditional names of the Egyptian magicians recorded in Exodus 7:11 & 12. Remember Paul was very well versed in Jewish/Mosaic laws and tradition. Also we read "it is written" when OT scriptures (even portions of scripture) are quoted that are applicable to the point being made and other times "it is said" when it involves a misunderstood (conventional wisdom) command from the OT or a Jewish oral tradition (sometimes a mix of both, leaven of the Pharisee's perhaps?). Check out Matthew 5:31 - 48 where Jesus reveals the Father's true will in many of the O(ld)T(ime) sayings.
Peace,
Joe
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