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The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fool
dogcombat:
I guess I'll read his whole post on nights when I have insomnia. I almost fell asleep 1/3 of the way down his post.
Ches
SandyFla:
Here is the part that got me:
"If God would at some later date forgive man and forgive and forget of all his sins, and the lost man would not have to pay for his sins for eternity, and then God’s love would outweigh His judgment. That would be impossible, for each of God’s attributes are in complete and total harmony with each other, and one attribute cannot not and will not overcome or cancel out the other."
Then, I would ask Mr. Bruce, how can you or I or anyone possibly be saved and forgiven? If God forgives you or me, then, as you say, we "would not have to pay for (our) sins for eternity."
If Mr. Bruce REALLY believes what he wrote, we are all eternally lost! :roll:
Sandy
YellowStone:
--- Quote from: SandyFla ---Here is the part that got me:
"If God would at some later date forgive man and forgive and forget of all his sins, and the lost man would not have to pay for his sins for eternity, and then God’s love would outweigh His judgment. That would be impossible, for each of God’s attributes are in complete and total harmony with each other, and one attribute cannot not and will not overcome or cancel out the other."
Then, I would ask Mr. Bruce, how can you or I or anyone possibly be saved and forgiven? If God forgives you or me, then, as you say, we "would not have to pay for (our) sins for eternity."
If Mr. Bruce REALLY believes what he wrote, we are all eternally lost! :roll:
Sandy
--- End quote ---
I think Bruce is not seeing the forest for the trees. :roll:
He states that "...for each of God’s attributes are in complete and total harmony with each other, and one attribute cannot not and will not overcome or cancel out the other."
Kind of makes sense to me. NOT!!! God is God!! Not God is his attributes, God is not confined by the boundaries and limitations of simple man (the likes of Bruce and dare I say "I")
1Cr 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.[/list:u]
Perhaps Bruce should consider the love a parent has for a child. My parents demanded respect and made it very clear what was expected of me. Oh and they dished out punishment when needed; but their love for me was never questioned. Not once in my life did I ever doubt my folks love for me.
Did we not learn in:
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image...[/list:u]If a parent can punish yet still love, and a child receive punishment by still fill that love, then surely these attributes are from God. Surely this refutes Bruces argument with the logic a child can understand.
Or am I the mistaken one? :)
Darren
theyachtman:
Saul of Tarsus??
SandyFla:
--- Quote from: YellowStone ---Perhaps Bruce should consider the love a parent has for a child. My parents demanded respect and made it very clear what was expected of me. Oh and they dished out punishment when needed; but their love for me was never questioned. Not once in my life did I ever doubt my folks love for me.
Did we not learn in:
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image...[/list:u]If a parent can punish yet still love, and a child receive punishment by still fill that love, then surely these attributes are from God. Surely this refutes Bruces argument with the logic a child can understand.
Or am I the mistaken one? :)
Darren
--- End quote ---
Nope, Darren, you hit the nail on the head. My parents also punished me, but I never doubted their love. I do the same with my little ones. I tell them, "I might not always be pleased with you, but I always love you."
Now, if I being evil, as Jesus says, can love my kids unconditionally that way, how much more does God love us--ALL of us?
Sandy
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