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Ray's New Bible Study for May
Akira329:
I guess my question should be:
Was Strong wrong in defining the word repent in Numbers23:19 and various other places??
Why use the same word as in genesis 6:7??
Kat:
Hi Antaiwan,
Here is how this words repent - nâcham H5162 is used in the KJV.
Total KJV Occurrences: 109; comfort, 34; comforted, 20; repent, 19; repented, 17; comforters, 5; comforter, 3; comforteth, 3; repenteth, 3; comfortedst, 1; ease, 1; receive, 1; repentest, 1; repenting, 1
The word has many different meaning that the translators could apply when translating the Scriptures. The word can mean different things in different verses according to the context, that's why it has all the definitions; to sigh, breathe strongly; to be sorry, to pity, console or rue; or to avenge: - comfort, ease, repent. Here are a few examples of ways it is used in the Scripture, just bare in mind that the original manuscripts of the inspired Scripture do not contradict.
Psa 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort (nacham 5162) me.
Job 16:2 I have heard many such things: miserable comforters (nacham 5162) are ye all.
Isa 66:13 As one whom his mother comforteth (nacham 5162), so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.
Isa 57:6 Among the smooth stones of the stream is thy portion; they, they are thy lot: even to them hast thou poured a drink offering, thou hast offered a meat offering. Should I receive comfort (nacham 51062) in these?
Psa 90:13 Return, O LORD, how long? and let it repent (nacham 51062) thee concerning thy servants.
Jer 15:6 Thou hast forsaken me, saith the LORD, thou art gone backward: therefore will I stretch out my hand against thee, and destroy thee; I am weary with repenting (nacham 51062).
Psa 135:14 For the LORD will judge his people, and he will repent (nacham 51062) himself concerning his servants.
Jer 26:13 Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent (nacham 51062) him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Akira329 on May 05, 2008, 03:39:53 PM ---
I understand that God is all these things as you have said but Numbers 23:19 is still there
I understand that the word repent here in these verses does not mean regret.
But my conflict is that it does say that God does not repent and the others say he does.
Emphasize that I know repent does not mean regret or changed his mind.
repent as defined in strong's:
A primitive root; properly to sigh, that is, breathe strongly; by implication to be sorry, that is, (in a favorable sense) to pity, console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself): - comfort (self), ease [one’s self], repent (-er, -ing, self).
This is what I understood from ray's teaching but it would seem he didn't address the contradiction(or apparent one).
The verse still says he doesn't feel the way men feel, but Genesis 6:7 shows he does have these types of feelings in his heart.
Again not regret
ahh I really want to understand this.................
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Hi Antaiwan,
We all get into these situations where the scriptures seem to puzzle and frustrate, those were very good answers from Arcturus and Kat but I am going to add a little bit to them. We must remember that Strong's although a very good tool to use with esword does not always nail the definitions down perfectly, as a matter of fact at times those definitions are somewhat incomplete. Look at what Kat wrote previously quoting from Rotherham's;
--- Quote from: Kat on May 05, 2008, 04:39:51 PM ---
Gen 6:5 Then Yahweh saw that great, was the wickedness of man in the earth, and that, every purpose of the devices of His heart, was only wicked all the day;
v. 6 and it grieved Yahweh, that He had made man in the earth, and He took sorrow unto His heart. (Rotherham)
God is lamenting over what He sees happening, even though He knew it would happen and He does not regret it, because this is how God's plan was suppose to go. God is full of love for His creation and He does not enjoy watching the process that is being worked out here.
Amen Kat!
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It appears that the Hebrew word nacham has many nuances to it, I am certain the same nuance is not applicable to both Genesis 6:7 & Numbers 23:19.
Getting back to Numbers 23:19 and lets replace the word repent with rue or rueful (one of Strongs listed definitions you listed).
Definition of rue/rueful
rueful; 1 contrite, remorseful, rueful, ruthful, sorry. To feel regret, remorse, or sorrow for.
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should be remorseful/contrite hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Why would God be remorseful and contrite when His plan is working perfectly? He may empathize even sympathize with our suffering along the way but He knows what needs to be done in creating perfect Sons and Daughters.
Let me attempt an analogy here;
A certain man takes his young daughter to the Dentist after she chipped her tooth, as she is seated and takes in all the strange tools and devices and sees the Dentist holding a big needle in his hand she begins to cry. Does this man feel remorse, contrition or regret for bringing her to the Dentist or is it more like he is grieving for her pain and suffering even as he knows beyond a shadow of a doubt he is doing the right thing?
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
winner08:
I asked the question does,God have emotions? I didn't get any replies. I figured that it was a dumb question and nobody had the time to give me any answers. Anyway this post answered some of those question on emotions. Thanks everyone. God does work in mysteries ways.
Thanks
Darren
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: winner08 on May 05, 2008, 07:09:24 PM --- I asked the question does,God have emotions? I didn't get any replies. I figured that it was a dumb question and nobody had the time to give me any answers. Anyway this post answered some of those question on emotions. Thanks everyone. God does work in mysteries ways.
Thanks
Darren
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Hi Darren,
I am sorry your question was not responded to, some days I have a real difficult time catching up with many of the posts.
Job 4:17 Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Psa 86:15 But thou, O Lord, art a God full of compassion, and gracious, longsuffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth.
Mic 7:18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger forever, because he delighteth in mercy.
You know one of the apostles requested of Jesus to show him the Father, here was His reply;
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
His Peace to you,
Joe
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