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Saul and the witch of Endor
Deborah-Leigh:
Here is another insight that I think nails it as well.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?action=profile,u=3,sa=showPosts,start...
325: Email to Ray / Eternal Punishment on : May 13, 2006, 08:04:20 AM
Dear Peter
Samuel was unconscious and DEAD during that whole Witch of Endor scenario. Our "spirit" does not have consciousness upondeath. No witch or demon has the power to bring a dead person back to life. God uses 2LYING SPIRITS" to commune and evil people such as Saul (See 1 Kings 22 : 22-23 & 11Chron. 18: 22-23)
God be with you
Ray
Sozo:
Arcturus,
I tried clicking on your link and it only sends me back to the home page. Could you check it and make sure it is correct please?
Thanks,
Sozo
Kat:
Hi Sozo,
Here is the link to the email Arcturus posted.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,742.0.html
And I found another email too.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,124.0.html -------
Dear Anton:
Saul does not obey or trust God.
So he goes to a pagan inspired witch that are condemned in Israel.
The witch has a familiar spirit--a demon.
Saul asks the witch to call up Samuel's spirit--a pagan teaching.
God actually caused this opportunity to tell Saul his fate by the channel that Saul himself choose.
God revealed the fate of Saul through this witch.
Samuel was never there. Saul assumed that the "old man" had to be Samuel. It was not.
God be with you,
Ray
joyful1:
Hi Sozo :D
Ezekiel 14:4
Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols;
God answers us according to the idols of our heart.
Saul idolized HIMSELF, in my opinion. He believed that when God stopped talking to him, he (Saul) could STILL get the information that he wanted by "climbing in another way." And so...according to that idol, God did indeed answer Saul. You go looking for a ghost, you'll see a ghost. You want an alien to talk to you....you may very well get your wish. Please note that this is my opinion, formed by what I've understood Ray to teach, and certainly open for correction by anyone possessing a better understanding.
Sincerely,
Joyce :)
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: joyful1 on May 07, 2008, 09:20:25 AM ---Hi Sozo :D
Ezekiel 14:4
Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols;
God answers us according to the idols of our heart.
Saul idolized HIMSELF, in my opinion. He believed that when God stopped talking to him, he (Saul) could STILL get the information that he wanted by "climbing in another way." And so...according to that idol, God did indeed answer Saul. You go looking for a ghost, you'll see a ghost. You want an alien to talk to you....you may very well get your wish. Please note that this is my opinion, formed by what I've understood Ray to teach, and certainly open for correction by anyone possessing a better understanding.
Sincerely,
Joyce :)
--- End quote ---
Hi! Joyce
Good one that. Yes I believe the same thing. The lord did indeed shut the front door to Saul because he was an unreliable shepherd of His sheep, but like a thief he tried to break his way into the fold by the back door. But instead of finding the sheep he came face to face with the wolf. "..I am the door; by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and go out, and shall find pasture. The thief cometh not, but that he may steal, and kill, and destroy: I came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly..." (Jn.10:7-10).
God bless.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy
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