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Being a Christian is bad?
Kat:
Hi Kweli,
The name 'Christian' does come from the Scripture and of course it is a proper name for what it was intended. But now to anyone that hears it, the name symbolizes someone who believes in Jesus Christ, but it also strongly implies someone that belongs to the church system. To claim to be 'Christian' you are immediately, by most everyone, lumped in with the church.
When we have come out of the church we no longer want to be associated as being a part of that group, and so we have dropped using the name 'Christian.' I do not reject the notion that I am a Christian, I just don't use that name in referring to myself. Actually I don't have a certain name I use for myself now, it's whatever sounds right at the time :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
kweli:
Okay. Thank you for the enlightenment Kat.
Still digesting though...bitter or sweet ;)
David:
Again I have no problem with being referred to as a Christian, it is a scriptural term to describe and identify disciples of Christ.
With the greatest love and respect intended, I really do think this discussion is an example of how the heresy denominations started in the first place.
I group of Christians with what they believe to be a correct understanding of scripture would decide to separate from another group with a different understanding, and thus decide that they should be called something different in order to differentiate themselves from other Christians. We know from numerous chapters in Acts, 1 Corinthians, Galations and Revelation that this was happening with the very earliest Christians. Paul admonished those that went this way, as did Christ in His Revelation to John.
I am not suggesting for one minute that people here do not have a correct spiritual understanding of scripture, far from it. Nor am I suggesting that we should not separate and come out of the Babylonian Church system.
I do think though that this type of discussion about whether we are comfortable with being referred to and identified as Christians is both unscriptural and divisive.
We were after all deceived Christians at some point, some of us still may be to a certain extent. We are always coming out of Babylon. Just because we now have the truth, or more of it than we had before doesn't mean we are no longer Christians.
Be blessed
David.
indianabob:
Well said and thoughtful David,
Thank you for your comment.
As you note, it is a process that most of us "old folks" go through.
I was as much of a Christian as I knew to be, based on what God had given me 38 years ago.
I have since had a spiritual and mental metamorphosis and am getting closer to the butterfly stage,
but the process is not yet complete.
There are likely thousands of others who are just beginning that process and we need to love them all.
Regards, Bob
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: kweli on May 09, 2008, 03:52:32 AM ---Thanks greatly for the effort Kat. It really helped.
I dont mean to drag this on, but based on the topic itself, is being a Christian bad? I mean if Peter and Paul recognized it as a way of identifying Christ's followers then maybe we should think more about it. I understand why we wouldnt want to be 'associated' with modern day christians, but the word and it's meaning (which fits more with us here) were not found in some dictionary or heretic's documentation, but in the Scriptures.
I'm not so sure about neglecting the use of the word if it is Scriptural. I understand that Jesus was physically circumcised so that I dont have to be under that law to stand approved but, Scriptural Christians are us, those who carry their cross and follow Jesus. It is great to have a word that recognizes this tough task of following Jesus, isnt it?
I really need to get to the meat of this one...
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Hi! Kweli
Let's face it brother we're not living in Paul and Peter's day but in an age 2000 years removed and a lot of corruption has crept into what was known as God's Church - Christian then. This corrupt resultant church has usurped the gracious title Christian and brought it into disrepute and as a consequence can you blame His chosen who have answered His call to "Come Out" from wanting to distance themselves from the corrupt by adopting a new name, such as, Body of Christ, which is still Christian 21st century called out style.
The is no question Christianity of today is now associated with corruption. There are a lot of well meaning good people among them, no doubt, but they need to come out or they are not being called. Ray addresses this in his Lake of Fire Series Chapter V111. When he asks where is God's Church. Toward the end you'll see that Paul had no delusion as to what the outcome was going to be for us right now.
Kath is right!
God bless
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy.
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