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Being a Christian is bad?
Deborah-Leigh:
Knowing what we know through the revelations given through Ray Smiths teaching about who it is who heads up the Christian Church plus the fact that it is Antioch that is the mother church of Christianity; Antioch Christianity is the abomination of desolation, bringing 2,000 years/2,000 swine in the temple.
Ray draws out in his study Paul lamenting and crying daily for three years concerning what was to come about in the Church with the wolves entering.
For me the call is still to Come out of her My People. Shall God contend with humanity, or with me and my reluctance, ignorance disobedience, for ever? NO. Something has to change and it is not going to be God! 8)
I Thank God there is no such thing as forever but age abiding the time will come when God will return! The age will close when the cry from God to Come out of her, will be sealed and the LOF WTJ shall take effect. There is a day of judgment and in this is our salvation and hope and joy. Satanic rule will be terminated and the captives will be set free. THIS IS PROMISED BY GOD.
What we believe ultimately will manifest in who's report we have trusted. When this is revealed we shall either be in Christianity or out of it. We shall have either come out via the narrow gate or we will still be in compromise territory thinking we can still come out and that the door is still open or that the call to come out is still applicable. The day of judgment is a day that will comeOR is already here for those who are in judgment on the House of God now.
So to answer the title of this thread "Being a Christian is bad?" For me, where I am at this point I will answer categorically Yes it is because by implication it means consent to BELONG to the Church and belief that the Church will stand in for individuals to wave any judgment by God on them. This is a false teaching. Being a Christian denotes for me, in who's report I have believed. Sacrifice for the reward of obedience is still an option for me as my obedience is being refined through trials and tribulations. When Christ is here, for me, then there is no more sacrifice left to atone for rebellion, denial, disobedience, no further offering to which to look forward. That is good news because the Christian Church still teaches bondage to sins, subservience to itself, and penance for sins while concealing the fact that there is no more sacrifice for atonement Jesus has paid the final sacrifice! What remains is obedience or disobedience. God still is good and will have all to be saved but as through fire.
It is Satan who is the Adversary and who places himself in opposition to God. There is no truth in him. He is the father of lies. He heads up the Christian Church and for them it is real bad news. :) but that is the big secret, the vast revelation for as truly as Christ spoke so it will be....Depart from me....In this is our sorrow for them, our pity towards them and our work to bring the judgments of God to them so they can learn righteousness when Gods judgments are in the earth. Then our sacrifice while yet they are still sinners could begin in the image of Christ who laid down His life for His elect.
The harvest is great. The few are chosen.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on May 10, 2008, 02:11:12 AM ---For me, where I am at this point I will answer categorically Yes it is because by implication it means consent to BELONG to the Church and belief that the Church will stand in for individuals to wave any judgment by God on them.
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Hello All:
I just wanted to point this out, not to argue or be a stumblingblock for Arcturus, but this is her own personal belief. If you wish to consider yourself a Christian because of your TRUE belief in Christ, that is up to you. But it is not wrong either way. It is only a title that has no forbearance on salvation. Paul and Peter had to come out of the Jewish synagogues and false beliefs but never stopped calling themselves Jews. The "implication" that Arcturus mentions above is not by the Father or our Lord but by men when they hear the word Christian. And what does their opiniion count in the grand scheme of things?
John 4:9-10 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
I thought of this verse while writing my reply. Did Jesus get all hot and bothered by the "implications" the Samaritan had about him considering HE WAS A JEW. No, he only corrected her "implications" or basically told her THE TRUTH about worshipping in spirit & truth. If someone refers to you as a Christian because of your belief in Christ and they also think you believe in all the Babylon lies, so what?! YOU KNOW THE TRUTH!!!! The reason why I said this is a matter of babes is because this is like a 5 year old upset because someone called them a name or "title". And what does a parent tell a child in these situations? You know who you are so DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE THINK.
The title of being a "Christian" is neither good nor bad. Just like the title Jew is neither good nor bad. But what you are inwardly is of most importance as Paul tells us in Rom. 2:29. And also, do not let a "title" be a stumblingblock for you as it has NO FORBEARANCE on your salvation. Christ will give you a NEW NAME upon his return.
Marques
Deborah-Leigh:
Marques
Why have you have used my post to misrepresented what and Who I believe?
You say titles are neither good or bad. Have words got no meaning? If one is slandered as being a babe or immature in spiritual matters, then it means something even if the person is not immature or naive in spiritual matters the slander means something. The inference means something even if there is a disclaimer in the beginning which means nothing!
The Title Lord of Heaven and Earth has a meaning. The title Satan has a meaning. The title Christian comes out of Antioch where Christianity as we know it had its beginnings. The teachings of Paul out of Antioch is where Christianity had its beginnings.
If we look to Ray's teachings we see confirmed with meaning that non can come to God except through Christ. God's chosen Elect come out of Christianity as expounded by Ray through his teachings. The elect can not come out of any other doctrine or dogma or title or creed. The Elect have to come out of Christianity just as "the way" came out of Judaism and as Eve came out of Adam, similarly the elect will come out of Christianity. Who has believed our report. Who?
Of course it is most important what is in the heart but this is not a licence to hypocrisy if it is indeed Christ's Spirit that does not feign affection, pretend or ever disguise Who He is. Being called a Christian is an insult but if one wants to decline from confronting, edifying or correcting the person calling one such title, then all and well but let us not pretend that the title has no meaning or significance. It does have both meaning and significance that God calls us to come out of.
Peace to you
Deborah-Leigh:
I should like to add for the benefit of those who are starting to come out of the false teachings and who are beginning to see the blasphemies taught and practised in Christendom, that the way out of Babylon is by no means a quick fix. It is a most gradual and painful process that I believe can only reach completion in the time and discretion of Jesus Christ alone.
Non are free yet.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on May 10, 2008, 10:32:32 AM ---You say titles are neither good or bad. Have words got no meaning?
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I said "the title of being a "Christian is neither good nor bad. Just like the title Jew is neither good nor bad." I did not say all titles are neither good or bad.
--- Quote from: Arcturus on May 10, 2008, 10:32:32 AM ---The Elect have to come out of Christianity just as "the way" came out of Judaism and as Eve came out of Adam, similarly the elect will come out of Christianity
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Paul (who could very well be of the Elect) came out of Babylon, which is all the worldly religions/governments including Judaism & Christianity. Did he ever stop calling himself a Jew?
--- Quote from: Arcturus on May 10, 2008, 10:32:32 AM ---Being called a Christian is an insult
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To you maybe, but not to all. The title bears nothing to me.
Just look at our usernames next to our posts. "Member of the body of Christ" There are tons of Babylon denominations with that title. Would I get all hot and bothered if someone "assumed" (which is what this thread is really all about: one assuming the title of Christian means a member of Babylon) that I was a member of that Babylonian congregation? NO, because I know the truth and when you know the truth, you are set free.
Arcturus,
Honestly I respect your opinion and truly love to read your past posts because of their wonderful insight. I apologize if you believe I have misrepresented your comments but your comments speak for themselves. If you do not agree, let us just continue on in love (or even a PM if you would like). This is really an endless religious debate that is not edifying anyone at this point. Once again, I apologize if I have offended you.
Marques
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