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Where did Elijah go??
Akira329:
--- Quote from: Kat on May 14, 2008, 12:49:26 PM ---
Hi Antaiwan,
2 Kings 2:9 And so it was, when they had crossed over, that Elijah said to Elisha, "Ask! What may I do for you, before I am taken away from you?" Elisha said, "Please let a double portion of your spirit be upon me."
v. 10 So he said, "You have asked a hard thing. Nevertheless, if you see me when I am taken from you, it shall be so for you; but if not, it shall not be so."
v. 11 Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
God used a physical whirlwind to physically transport Elijah through the heaven/sky to another place.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Thanks Kat!!! That help so much!!
--- Quote from: Arcturus on May 14, 2008, 02:53:32 PM ---I know we are discussing Elijah here and to look at this through another scripture I found this. Where did the body of Moses go? Where did the body of Jesus go? They are all the same question.
Heb 11 : 5 Because of faith Enoch was caught up and transferred to heaven, SO THAT HE DID NOT HAVE A GLIMPSE OF DEATH.
This does not say that Enoch did not die. It says he did not have a GLIMPSE of death. He did not TASTE death. We have heard Jesus talk about this that some will not TASTE death. This does not mean that the Scriptures lie and that some will not die because all have to die but some will be transferred to heaven so that they will not have a glimpse of death and will be CHANGED in a twinkling of an eye when mortal shall put on immortality.
1 Thes 4 : 17 Then WE the living ones who remain on the earth shall simultaneously BE CAUGHT UP along with the resurrected dead, in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so always we shall be with the Lord.
How can anyone be with the Lord still dressed in carnal mortal flesh? Not possible! I too do not desire to see or taste death. Ugh!
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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I thought Enoch was moved from one place to another. I'm not quite sure what your saying Arcturus???
The same with Elijah except scripture obviously says how he was translated or transported.
Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Ray explained this as no one could find him.
Is this correct???
Antaiwan
lorrie:
OH!I think ive got it now,you are reffering[sp?]to the ressurrection,right arcturus?
Deborah-Leigh:
Yes! Absolutely Jaguar! 8) :D :D
We can not be born from above unless we are resurrected and fully redeemed not partially redemend, out of our carnal flesh and bondage to vanity! That is why the second coming is SO IMPORTANT!
Rom 8 : 21 Because the creature itself also shall be DELIVERED from the BONDAGE OF CORRUPTION INTO THE GLORIOUS LIBERTY OF THE CHILDREN OF GOD. ....23. And not only they, but ourselves alsowhich have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves GROAN WITHIN OURSELVES, WAITING FOR THE ADOPTION TO WIT, THE REDEMPTION OF OUR BODY. ! 8) ;D
Heb 9 : 28 Even so it is that Christ, having been offered to take upon Himself and bear as a burden the sins of many once and once for all, will appear a second time, not to carry any burden of sin nor to deal with sin, BUT TO BRING TO FULL SALVATION those who are eagerly, constantly, and patiently waiting for and expecting Him.
This is our HOPE which is also by God's design for us to experience and fully appropriate!
Rom 8 : 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in HOPE.
Akira329
Ray explained this as no one could find him, yes. Add this to the fact that the Scriptures are written for our admonition. What else can the Church NOT FIND? They too can not find unity! They too can not see the TRUTH. Jesus rebuked the leaders of the Church as being blind guides and white washed sepulchers, snakes and murderers like their father who has not truth in him from the beginning. Can we see this? Can we see that first the physical then the spiritual. First the seen then the unseen. Do we believe in what we can not see. Has the Spirit and the Truth become for us more real than the lie and the deception of blindness. I think this is what Ray's teachings have introduced to us all here who embrace and appreciate the light shining through the teachings brought via the Spirit of Truth and the mind of Christ to our once blind eyes, stubborn hearts and deaf ears.
Glory to God!
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on May 14, 2008, 11:48:38 PM ---Yes! Absolutely Jaguar! 8) :D :D
We can not be born from above unless we are resurrected and fully redeemed not partially redemend, out of our carnal flesh and bondage to vanity! That is why the second coming is SO IMPORTANT!
Rom 8 : 21 Because the creature itself also shall be DELIVERED from the BONDAGE OF CORRUPTION INTO THE GLORIOUS LIBERTY OF THE CHILDREN OF GOD. ....23. And not only they, but ourselves alsowhich have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves GROAN WITHIN OURSELVES, WAITING FOR THE ADOPTION TO WIT, THE REDEMPTION OF OUR BODY. ! 8) ;D
Heb 9 : 28 Even so it is that Christ, having been offered to take upon Himself and bear as a burden the sins of many once and once for all, will appear a second time, not to carry any burden of sin nor to deal with sin, BUT TO BRING TO FULL SALVATION those who are eagerly, constantly, and patiently waiting for and expecting Him.
This is our HOPE which is also by God's design for us to experience and fully appropriate!
Rom 8 : 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in HOPE.
Akira329
Ray explained this as no one could find him, yes. Add this to the fact that the Scriptures are written for our admonition. What else can the Church NOT FIND? They too can not find unity! They too can not see the TRUTH. Jesus rebuked the leaders of the Church as being blind guides and white washed sepulchers, snakes and murderers like their father who has not truth in him from the beginning. Can we see this? Can we see that first the physical then the spiritual. First the seen then the unseen. Do we believe in what we can not see. Has the Spirit and the Truth become for us more real than the lie and the deception of blindness. I think this is what Ray's teachings have introduced to us all here who embrace and appreciate the light shining through the teachings brought via the Spirit of Truth and the mind of Christ to our once blind eyes, stubborn hearts and deaf ears.
Glory to God!
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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Oooooohhhhhh.....I see now...thanks Arcturus :D
The same way Enoch was caught up into the air is a shadow of how the living will be "caught up" in the air in the 1st resurrection at our Lord's return. I see now, thanks again.
Deborah-Leigh:
Here is what I understand so far.....I am so grateful for the insight via Ray that THE ELECT go through the second death! THAT IS A BLESSED REVALATION! THANK YOU RAY!!!
From Ray's latest Installment XV1 HELL Part E quote:
...individual Christians are being judged right now as we live, and that there is no judgment for us after we are resurrected. .... The rest of the dead are resurrected with physical bodies, back to physical life, to enter the SECOND death, which will no longer hurt God's Elect.
Why should the second death no longer hurt the Elect?
Shadrach Meshach and Abed-nego who walked in the fire turned up seven times is a shadow of judgment on the Elect now. They had no attachments to physical worldly institutions of man and refused to bow to human idols. They disobeyed the king of the world and gave him no homage trusting their fate to God Himself. This was the right and proper thing to do not in the eyes of the worldly King but in the eyes of the King of Creation.
1 Peter 4 : 19 Wherefore let them that suffer ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF GOD, commit the keeping of their souls to Him in well doing,as unto a faithful Creator. This is EXACTLY what Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego did. Their lives earlier to this obedience made possible by the Spirit of God to provide us admonition, was certainly one of trials, pains and sufferings which is the shadow showing the process though which they experienced all that the consuming fire of God that is a fire that purges out all earthly stubble. Before being cast into the fire they were already purged! For this reason they could walk with Christ and commune with Him much to the amazement of the onlookers looking at them walking in the fire. 8)
The LOF consuming fire of God does not burn or harm those who are to be received into the Kingdom of God at the return of Christ. Why? God will have already pruned off dependencies on carnal attachments and false hopes in deceptions through His purging fire and process of purification through tests trials and tribulations.
Notice what Ray highlights for us. Quote : ...the SECOND death, which will no longer hurt God's Elect...Not because the elect do not go through the second death, but because they have been purified through it and it no longer harms them.
I am glad you are seeing the light mharrell08 :D
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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