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Are you the elect?
winner08:
Sorry KristaD: I don't know where I got kristian. Again Sorry.
Darren
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: winner08 on May 17, 2008, 11:49:28 AM ---As I was reading Krista last thread a certain phrase caught my intention. She mention the Jesus was not cranial. I need clarification on this matter. While Jesus was on earth He was a human being.(correct)? and to be carnal is to be human. Jesus felt pain, He had human emotions. Human feelings. He felt the same as we do. Being the human side of Him not the spiritual side. We don't copare to the spiritual side of Christ. He was perfect. But according to Ray's teaching on the real Jesus He felt as we do.(feelings).Emotions). This just caught my intention.
Darren
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Christ did not have a carnal mind, He was not carnal.
The human carnal mind is emnity [Deep seated hatred] AGAINST God. Christ NEVER hated against God nor went against His' Father's Will.
Christ was full of Grace [God's divine influence upon His heart] and i believe He had the mind of God in everyway.
Their are no scriptures that support the idea or notion that Christ had a carnal mind. I honostly think to teach such would be blasphemy.
God bless,
Alex
P.S. I'm not saying your blaspheming because i don't think you teach this, so don't get offended, none is ment. Only love and aid. =]
winner08:
I am not offended. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I see I was wrong. Like i say it won't be the last time.
Thank,
Darren
joyful1:
Roy and all--
Yes, the list is daunting, but with God all things are possible...
and concerning the "striving part"....
He equips us for the job when we put on the whole armour of God....He just covers ALL the bases ALL of the time! (*see Ephesians chapter 6).
Krista--
He is the one who "searches the heart," so if your motivation is correct, HE KNOWS it...He knows everything!
It looks to me that Peter shows clearly that it is God that enables us to "do the list" in this chapter....and more importantly...that IF OUR HEARTS have NOT been changed....and if we are striving to "be good to get the reward" but NOT REALLY doing things from a new heart, then we won't be able to CONTINUE doing them anyway! Like Kat said;
--- Quote from: Kat on May 17, 2008, 08:12:38 AM ---
the only way anyone can be of the Elect is to finish the race. So if at any point you drop out of the race, you never were of the Elect.
--- End quote ---
I am continuing my search in understanding HOW we make sure of our calling and election.
I think that we must begin with a sure foundation of TRUTH.
I remember saying empty things like; "Praise the Lord!" in church, years ago....it sounded good, I felt strong emotions when I said it, and I sort of meant it....but not really.....I would look around at people and wonder how I could be more like them, and really be praising the Lord. Now I know that probably almost everyone was thinking the same thing!
Matthew 15:8
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Jesus again emphasizes doing something from "the heart"...
Matthew 18:35
So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
2 Peter 1:3-4
His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.
4Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
I agree with Kat, in that these things apply to us "once the race has begun."
Then the testing begins.
Now, I believe that the test is not to prove anything to God....but for you to TEST what God has given YOU! Through testing, you prove to YOURSELF that He IS working in you! I find it incredible that I am able to do certain things now that I couldn't have done in years past, because, like you Krista....He is CHANGING me! It is a process! (*I'm also dismayed when I fail, but in my heart, I KNOW that God KNOWS my intentions....and in that I am comforted.)
TASTE =TEST what has been given, is what I see here:
Psalm 34:8
Taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the man who takes refuge in him.
Once we've been given the faith to believe, been given the armor to wear, been given the knowledge to know better....THEN we DESIRE from the HEART to do the things that He says! We can't fake this step....its REAL or its NOT! What little change that HAS happened in me, is real and I know that it is real. Because I see God TESTING it for me to SEE that it is real. (*He is also showing me where I have NOT changed but need to. It's a step by step process.)
In order to SEE any of these things.....He must reveal them to us...He must give SIGHT TO THE BLIND.
I know that these changes did not come from me, or from my efforts/works, but from God. Apart from Him, I can do nothing! But with God ALL things are possible!
Just my thoughts on the matter. Please forgive the length!
Much love and peace to all!
Joyce :)
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: joyful1 on May 20, 2008, 04:51:55 AM ---Roy and all--
Yes, the list is daunting, but with God all things are possible...
and concerning the "striving part"....
He equips us for the job when we put on the whole armour of God....He just covers ALL the bases ALL of the time! (*see Ephesians chapter 6).
Krista--
He is the one who "searches the heart," so if your motivation is correct, HE KNOWS it...He knows everything!
It looks to me that Peter shows clearly that it is God that enables us to "do the list" in this chapter....and more importantly...that IF OUR HEARTS have NOT been changed....and if we are striving to "be good to get the reward" but NOT REALLY doing things from a new heart, then we won't be able to CONTINUE doing them anyway! Like Kat said;
--- Quote from: Kat on May 17, 2008, 08:12:38 AM ---
the only way anyone can be of the Elect is to finish the race. So if at any point you drop out of the race, you never were of the Elect.
--- End quote ---
I am continuing my search in understanding HOW we make sure of our calling and election.
I think that we must begin with a sure foundation of TRUTH.
I remember saying empty things like; "Praise the Lord!" in church, years ago....it sounded good, I felt strong emotions when I said it, and I sort of meant it....but not really.....I would look around at people and wonder how I could be more like them, and really be praising the Lord. Now I know that probably almost everyone was thinking the same thing!
Matthew 15:8
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Jesus again emphasizes doing something from "the heart"...
Matthew 18:35
So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
2 Peter 1:3-4
His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.
4Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
I agree with Kat, in that these things apply to us "once the race has begun."
Then the testing begins.
Now, I believe that the test is not to prove anything to God....but for you to TEST what God has given YOU! Through testing, you prove to YOURSELF that He IS working in you! I find it incredible that I am able to do certain things now that I couldn't have done in years past, because, like you Krista....He is CHANGING me! It is a process! (*I'm also dismayed when I fail, but in my heart, I KNOW that God KNOWS my intentions....and in that I am comforted.)
TASTE =TEST what has been given, is what I see here:
Psalm 34:8
Taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the man who takes refuge in him.
Once we've been given the faith to believe, been given the armor to wear, been given the knowledge to know better....THEN we DESIRE from the HEART to do the things that He says! We can't fake this step....its REAL or its NOT! What little change that HAS happened in me, is real and I know that it is real. Because I see God TESTING it for me to SEE that it is real. (*He is also showing me where I have NOT changed but need to. It's a step by step process.)
In order to SEE any of these things.....He must reveal them to us...He must give SIGHT TO THE BLIND.
I know that these changes did not come from me, or from my efforts/works, but from God. Apart from Him, I can do nothing! But with God ALL things are possible!
Just my thoughts on the matter. Please forgive the length!
Much love and peace to all!
Joyce :)
--- End quote ---
Hi! Sister Joyce
Please don't apologize, it wasn't too long by any means, if anything not long enough. Your thoughts on the subject were very edifying and sobering. Thank you.
I agree with you, I personally have come a long way and do not have very much further to go so I am determined to put on the full armour and finish the race. The task is indeed daunting but as we are in Christ and Christ in us, I fully endorse your words of encouragement, with God nothing is impossible.
God bless you and thank you for that.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy. UK........"The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love." 1Jn.4:8
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