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The Florida revival
kweli:
Dennis, are you sure you're not called to be a psychologist/psychiatrist? Amen to that observation. As Ray likes to say about magic, you know it's a trick, they even show how they do the trick, but when they do the trick you get fooled anyway. I suppose that explains DECEIT in greater detail
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on May 22, 2008, 07:00:03 AM ---
IMO it's all about emotions. I've walked out of many movies emotionally moved. But the movie did not happen to me.
Churches use music to set an emotional stage. They start out with lively music and slowly bring it down to slow, emotional music. Then they pass the hat.
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Hi Dennis
Yes, music and slow rhythmic chanting can play tricks on the mind. I believe it's called auto-suggestion, stage hypnotists are famous for that. That is world famous Benny Hinns trick with his low music and his encouragement for the audience to slowly and softly chant, "Come Holy Spirit, Come Holy Spirit." over and over until they fell into a sort of trance. I believe the vulnerable members of the audience hypnotize themselves and fall prey to Benny's deception. He is a professional stage hypnotist and nothing else.
Uri Geller did some amazing things using the same tricks and made a lota, lota, lota, lovely, lovely money
God bless you.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK "The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love." 1Jn.4:8
roundbellygroove:
Wow!
What a reveling week this has been. How did I miss The Depth of Satan-Who is Antipas? in the Lake of Fire series? I have been reading Ray's teaching for over 4 years now and the reality of that section just hit me this week. I know if I had understood it 3yrs ago I would not have joined back at a church. I have done my time in all types of religious establishments to realize that most of it is a bunch of crock. I even attend 2 semesters at a very reputable "bible college" and realized that its all setup. When I left that college over 10 years ago I swore by that horrible experience that I would never have anything to do with religion again, but here I am being duped. Pretty sneaking I must say... Satan used the very thing that is dear to me get me back into his control by luring me with my passion for music. For many years I have played with all kinds and types of bands both secular and christian. I was scared when I played in secular bands because I knew that I was using my talent to encourage sinners to sin more. Then I felt awkward playing in christian groups because it was too controlled. Everything had to be picture perfect depending on where or who you were playing for. I always felt that when praising God with your instrument that you should always be free to be yourself. I mean why act it out? God knows if you are sincere or not anyways.
So I got back into church by a musician friend whom had the same experiences that I had with the world & religion and invited me to attend a service. The first thing I notice was that the congregation was very friendly, you showed up as your are(which was good for me since I'm a tee-shirt & jean kind-of-guy),A very diverse crowd with people from all over the world represented,Tithing was not enforced or pressured but was an expression of worship or offering, I didn't hear any crazy rapture preaching and the Worship was just that... Worship. No set number of songs or type of songs just free Worship. You never knew how long worship service would be. Sometimes 20min, sometimes the whole service could be taken up. In those instances the pastor would dismiss those that had to leave and if they wanted to leave an offering he would just instruct those to leave in the back as they went out. To me at that time I had never experienced a church environment like it. So needless to say I joined in as a Bass player then later as a Drummer.
It was a quote from Dennis Vogel that really struck a nerve.
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--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on May 22, 2008, 07:00:03 AM ---
IMO it's all about emotions. I've walked out of many movies emotionally moved. But the movie did not happen to me.
Churches use music to set an emotional stage. They start out with lively music and slowly bring it down to slow, emotional music. Then they pass the hat.
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Then it hit me!!! Ive been hoodwinked!!! All this time I was wondered why I never could make real money in the music business when Satan can use me for free as long a I though I was doing if for the Lord. Ouch >:(
Do you have any idea how bad that stings? Please understand that I am a Virtuoso(highest level of musical awareness on can posses) at my instruments. I am literally a pied pipper!!! I know what notes & rhythms to play to invoke any type of emotion I want and I have been used for the past 2 1/2yrs as a puppet for Satan thinking I was doing it for God.
Anyways, again it has been a reveling week for me. Please keep me in prayer as the Lord directs me in a exit plan. This will not be easy since this has been the best church family I have ever encountered. These people have really watched out for me since I started attending. It will be difficult to explain why I will be leaving. Also I have completely lost the will to play again. I'm feeling like some cheap magician that uses smoke and mirrors to create illusions.
Thanks for the input Ya'll
roundbelly
winner08:
Hey roundbellygrove. I was just wandering why you left that church. I must of miss the reasons you stated. I mean for a church it sounded OK. You had your choice of music to play, the preachers didn't ask for money except for contributions guess that;s a from of asking for money though. also you mention the people were friendly. One question. what kind of doctrain did they teach? was it the usual man made stuff. (OF MAN) not God. Please, I mean no harm in asking these questions. It's just that It sounds like a church I left recently.
Darren
chav:
Hi
I came to Christ (or so I thought) in 1972 . I came into the church partly through what was then known as the 'Jesus movement' during that time many thousands of young people both here in the UK and in the USA came into the church professing Christ.Some would have described that as some form of revival.
Now my question is , if as some suggest, revivals are really a deception or satanic in origin, then who was it that called me ,was it God or the devil ?
It's probably a ridiculous question , but it is a logical extension to some of the answers given on this thread.
cheers
Dave
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