HELLO RAY,
I SHOWED THIS TOPIC OF TWELVE GOD GIVEN TRUTHS TO UNDERSTAND HIS WORD
TO AN ACQUAINTANCE AT WORK.
ON PAGE TWO YOU WROTE “HIS FATHER WOULD NOT LET HIM SIN”. He said this is unscriptional.
HE SAID JESUS OBEYED AS HE CHOSE TO DO NOT HIS WILL BUT THE FATHERS WILL.
HAVE YOU A COMMENT FOR HIM ON THIS, HIS NAME IS VIS.
REGARDS JOHN
Dear John: Please show your friend my comment. People not only do not believe the Scriptures, they DESPISE the Scriptures. People want to believe the damnable lie and heresy (II Pet. 2:1) that God gave to mankind a "God-thwarting power" called "free will"--"human free [uncaused] moral agency."
They WILL NOT obey a God Whom they think can "control" them. What are the Scriptural facts? As though people who despise the Word of God are interested in Scriptural facts. Your friend contradicts his own argument with his own argument: "JESUS OBEYED AS HE CHOSE TO DO NOT HIS WILL BUT THE FATHERS WILL." And did Jesus "CHOOSE" to not do His own will BY HIS OWN ["free"] WILL?
WHY have "all sinned" (Rom. 3:23) except Jesus (Heb. 4:15)? Christendom and her hundreds of thousands of theologians cannot answer that question using the Scriptures. Because if God had not prevented Jesus from sinning, and He was tempted as we are, and He possessed the fabled "free will" that all men supposedly have, then Jesus WOULD HAVE SINNED. Why (without the Father living IN HIM) would His "free" will NOT have sinned? Give me a Scripture? PLEASE? Remove my statement that the Father would not allow Jesus to sin, and then SHOW ME in the Scriptures where it was possible for Jesus NOT TO SIN? Show me the Scripture?
Who operates in man to do good? Who operated in Jesus to do good?
Phi 2:13 "For it is God [Who? Man? NO--'GOD'] which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." Do Christians believe this verse? Of course not.
Joh 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." Do Christians believe this verse? Of course not. So then, did the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God the Father IN Jesus keep Him from sinning or not? Was it the Father's WILL, that Jesus SIN? Then WHOSE will did Jesus pray would keep Him from sinning--"
Mat 26:39 "And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." Do Christians believe this verse with all their "free will" nonsense? Of course not. When Jesus prayed, where those Jesus' words or the words of His Father "...working in Jesus both to will and to do of His good pleasure?"
Jud 1:24 "Now unto Him [GOD ALMIGHTY] that is able to keep you from falling [Gk: aptaistos "a derivative of G4417; not stumbling, that is, (figuratively) without sin: - from falling"--Strong's Greek Dictionary]and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy." So God can keep us from sinning, but He could not and did not "keep Jesus from SINNING?" Do Christians believe this verse? Of course not.
Etc., etc., etc. But why go on? Christians who worship the godless idols of their hearts, will NOT receive instruction from the Word of God. They will NOT!
God be with you,
Ray
