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The Holy Spirit, (HIMSELF)
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: winner08 on May 21, 2008, 12:50:50 AM ---Yes M.G. That's alot of spirits. Since Jesus Christ had to wait untill He returned to His Father before He could send the Holy Spirit back to his diciples I figure Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are one in the same. I could be wrong.
Darren
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Hello Darren,
Consider the fact that if the holy spirit was a third entity equal with the Son and the Father and God itself, than why when Christ mentioned His relationship with the Father did He never once mention the holy spirit? If after all, it is as important as the church makes it out to be, that it is a god itself than should not Christ have mentioned it? OOPS? How about paul in all his opening letters to those he was writting. How did He open?
1 Corinthians 1:3 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Holy spirit? WOOPS! Guess paul was a heretic? Haha. I speak as a fool! :)
Here's a parable from Christ. Notice the LACK OF the HOLY SPIRIT in this parable? Yet it describes Christs relationship with His Father the One God.
"I am the true Grapevine, and My father is the Farmer... I am the Grapevine. You are the branches" (John 15:1 & 5).
Could not the holy spirit have been the rain that waters the vine [Christ] or perhaps the dirt that the vine is planted in?
No holy spirit! :(
Anyway, we know that the holy spirit is Jesus Christ because the greek proves it. Ray shows this.
Jesus said:
"I will NOT leave you bereaved [comfortless], I am coming to you [in the form of the comforter and spirit of truth]" (Jn 14:18).
"IN THAT DAY [the day when the comforter comes] you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I IN YOU" (Jn 14:20).
"Now the consoler [comforter], THE HOLY SPIRIT, which the Father will be sending IN MY NAME, that will be teaching you all, and reminding you of all that I said to you" (Jn 14:26).
"I am going, and I AM COMING TO YOU" (Jn. 14:27).
Ray demonstrates here that the Holy spirit is indeed Christ in us by means of His Fathers spirit by using the greek to do it. Pay attention closely.
the Greek, the "comforter" or consoler is translated from parakleetos. Now, is there any Scriptural proof that Jesus Christ is called "parakleetos?" Yes there is. In I John 2:1 we read:
"And if anyone should be sinning, we have an Entreater with the Father, Jesus Christ, the Just."
In the King James it says we have an "advocate" [with a small "a"]. King James ALWAYS capitalizes the Greek word "parakleetos," so why don’t they capitalize it here? You see, "advocate" or a better translation "Entreater" is translated from the GREEK WORD "parakleetos!"
I pray this has helped any of you who are struggling with understanding of God's holy spirit!
God bless and love to you all,
Alex
winner08:
Yes Alex. First let me say plainly that I DO NOT believe in a trinity. I also agree that if were so Jesus would have mention it. Just so theres no misunderstanding I do not believe in the trinity. I do believe in what Jesus Christ taught.
Darren
PS thanks Kat and Alex.
jerreye:
no problem Stevenator :)
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on May 21, 2008, 12:36:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: winner08 on May 21, 2008, 12:50:50 AM ---Yes M.G. That's alot of spirits. Since Jesus Christ had to wait untill He returned to His Father before He could send the Holy Spirit back to his diciples I figure Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are one in the same. I could be wrong.
Darren
--- End quote ---
Hello Darren,
Consider the fact that if the holy spirit was a third entity equal with the Son and the Father and God itself, than why when Christ mentioned His relationship with the Father did He never once mention the holy spirit? If after all, it is as important as the church makes it out to be, that it is a god itself than should not Christ have mentioned it? OOPS? How about paul in all his opening letters to those he was writting. How did He open?
1 Corinthians 1:3 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Holy spirit? WOOPS! Guess paul was a heretic? Haha. I speak as a fool! :)
Here's a parable from Christ. Notice the LACK OF the HOLY SPIRIT in this parable? Yet it describes Christs relationship with His Father the One God.
"I am the true Grapevine, and My father is the Farmer... I am the Grapevine. You are the branches" (John 15:1 & 5).
Could not the holy spirit have been the rain that waters the vine [Christ] or perhaps the dirt that the vine is planted in?
No holy spirit! :(
Anyway, we know that the holy spirit is Jesus Christ because the greek proves it. Ray shows this.
Jesus said:
"I will NOT leave you bereaved [comfortless], I am coming to you [in the form of the comforter and spirit of truth]" (Jn 14:18).
"IN THAT DAY [the day when the comforter comes] you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I IN YOU" (Jn 14:20).
"Now the consoler [comforter], THE HOLY SPIRIT, which the Father will be sending IN MY NAME, that will be teaching you all, and reminding you of all that I said to you" (Jn 14:26).
"I am going, and I AM COMING TO YOU" (Jn. 14:27).
Ray demonstrates here that the Holy spirit is indeed Christ in us by means of His Fathers spirit by using the greek to do it. Pay attention closely.
the Greek, the "comforter" or consoler is translated from parakleetos. Now, is there any Scriptural proof that Jesus Christ is called "parakleetos?" Yes there is. In I John 2:1 we read:
"And if anyone should be sinning, we have an Entreater with the Father, Jesus Christ, the Just."
In the King James it says we have an "advocate" [with a small "a"]. King James ALWAYS capitalizes the Greek word "parakleetos," so why don’t they capitalize it here? You see, "advocate" or a better translation "Entreater" is translated from the GREEK WORD "parakleetos!"
I pray this has helped any of you who are struggling with understanding of God's holy spirit!
God bless and love to you all,
Alex
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Hi! Brothers and Sisters.
I do notice with some alarm that the Holy Spirit is being referred to in small caps. I would just like to remind everyone that we are indeed not taking about a separate entity or the spirit of a created being but the very Spirit of our God and as such should be given due respect. Forgive me if I'm wrong but it grinds my very innards when I see such, unintentional though it be, irreverence. God the Father and God the Son two separate entities, but the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of our God, Father and Son , ONE GOD. To me the very essence of GOD. Please forgive me for this if I'm wrong. I expect this from Babylon but not from God's chosen.
God bless.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK "The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love." 1Jn.4:8
Craig:
Sorry Roy, but I disagree with you on this. Not saying I'm right or you are wrong, I just don't feel this way.
I can talk of His spirit, God's spirit etc. and don't think I am belittling God at all.
What about the mind of God, should it be the Mind of God? Should it be House of God or house of God? the Hand of God or hand of God?
I think you at least understand where I'm going with this. I don't want to debate this with you as I stated I may be wrong but if so it is a fault that lies between me and the Father.
Craig
PS I would like to add if I was referring to "spirit" as a proper noun in reference to God I would capitalize it. Such as I was led by the Spirit, or the Spirit is strong here etc. But if I said I was led by the spirit of God I would not capitalize.
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