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Near Death Experiences
musicman:
Satan can show people whatever God allows (or causes) him to show them.
UncleBeau:
I don't see why in most cases this wouldn't be a case of "lucid dreams". There are too many factors to consider in order to think that any near-death "experience" would be valid. First of all, is each person seeing the same "place"? If not, WHY not? Second, Does every single person that almost dies have this experience? If not, again, WHY not? If these things are not consistant and people's "experiences" contradict each other, then this is obviously not a mystery from God. God is not the author of confusion among people. We already know and cannot question the scriptures that when it comes to actually being dead, no one experiences ANYTHING; but I don't think that's where the confusion lies. Even if you were clinically dead in the hospital, upon awaking, you can dream. It's been studied that most dreams occur in regards to your short term and long term memory communicating (in simplest terms), and that dreams are not necessarily related to the REM sleep state. You can see just about anything that your mind can fabricate in just a matter of moments that can seem to last a long time. I can assume we've all experienced only sleeping for just a few minutes and having a very detailed dream. It would also make good and explainable sense to believe that this is how no two stories of this near-death" nonsense are completely alike. How many "alien abduction" stories have you seen or heard that were any different? Do we think that this is also something that God has yet to reveal? Not quite. We know that the next galaxy over is just too far away to travel to and away from. Either way, this is a good subject to discuss, but there's too much contradiction when it comes to these stories....not to mention in SO MANY of these "I've seen hell" stories, it contradicts Scripture left and right. Is this too any different?
Kat:
Hi Sozo,
I remember a friend that was here on the forum a while ago, who was a nurse and gave a really good explanation from a medical standpoint. I searched and found it and here is what she said:
"In fact, the truth is that even though someone is technically dead because they are flat-lining and have respiratory failure, The brain is not really dead for quite a bit after that. Deterioration under normal circumstances does not really start till about 4 mins after circulation stops (there are always exceptions tho) People have been resuscitated as long as 8 mins after the machines stop detecting, without adverse effects on recovery, 16-20 mins if drowed in very very cold water (slows deterioration)
Anyway, my point is that the body tissues and fluids hold enough reserves to keep the brain going long enough for the subconscience to continue even though there are no outward vital signs. It is said that the 'hearing is the last thing to 'go' which is why we were always very respectful about what we said when performing 'last offices' on a dead person. Now, if the person is successfully resuscitated, then there is a very good chance they will retain a thought pattern of what was going on in their minds."
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?action=profile;u=335;sa=showPosts;start=45
I thought bring this up might help :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: Sozo on May 20, 2008, 08:31:59 AM ---Does anyone have any thoughts on near death experiences? I know this is a very generalized question, but I'm just wondering if anyone has done any research on this specifically. Has Ray written anything on this topic?
--- End quote ---
Hi! Sozo
I haven't long to go now, but when I do go I want to go properly. If perchance while in the process of my going with my happy thoughts of the rewards awaiting me some idiot were to interrupt my happy departure by resuscitating me - near death experience- then, not being properly dead I'd retain those beautiful thoughts in my fading memory and be able to recall all my experiences in heaven for the admiration of all the dancing, singing and sensation seeking clowns waiting to hear all about it and make money out of it. Hallelujah! Amen!
God bless.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy "The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love." 1Jn.4:8
Jackie Lee:
My husband had went for hernia surgery he didn't improve after the surgery then his appendix burst, he had to have another surgery right away, The doctors said he may not make it.
He said he had an experience of seeing gray faceless people that was shoving him so he couldn't go any further, he said it was a scary place but this has been over 10 years and the memory is dim now.
I also believe it was just a dream, not a pleasant dream but a dream anyway.
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