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Abels offering
sonofone:
I'm not as versed in Ray's teachings as you guys are but something Ray said concerning Adam seems to indirectly illustrate Peggy's observation.
Ray speaks of Adam's rib being the female part of him which was removed from him,which God in turn made Eve with. If I have the gist of Ray's statement right here,I can see Peggy's point in an indirect way.The point being the dual nature of Adam,if Adam possessed within him the male and female,then perhaps Jesus illustrated by way of example how a man can be submissive,IE.. taking on a female role in regards to God.
We are the bride of Christ although physically speaking,we are both male and females,yet in spiritual terms we are like Jesus while here on earth carrying out the female role so to speak.Jesus prayed that God would make us one with him even as he was one with God.
We know that marriage joins two separate bodies together and declares them one.We are married to God,wherein he is the Husband and we are the bride,together we are one,just as Jesus prayed we would be.
So I can see where Jesus would have given us a living example of how this looks and is carried out in the flesh as well as in the spirit.
hillsbororiver:
Hi Sonofone,
Interesting points to be sure but I have to ask where is the chapter and verse for this supposition? Is obedience to One greater in authority and power strictly a female attribute? When a man obeys his boss at work, or secular law, or his flesh and blood father does that constitute a female work?
We read that Christ is the Son of God, not the Bride of God nor the Daughter of God. Without human reasoning taking precedence where is the scriptural authority for this idea? Because Eve came out of Adam means that every subsequent human being is now female?
Christ fulfilled OT/Mosaic Law, the roles of male and female are clearly defined in both the Old and New Testament, without getting into a line by line itemizing of these laws and roles perhaps some scriptural witnesses can be provided that proclaim Christ's ministry was a feminine work.
Peace,
Joe
sonofone:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on May 28, 2008, 04:07:52 PM ---Hi Sonofone,
Interesting points to be sure but I have to ask where is the chapter and verse for this supposition? Is obedience to One greater in authority and power strictly a female attribute? When a man obeys his boss at work, or secular law, or his flesh and blood father does that constitute a female work?
We read that Christ is the Son of God, not the Bride of God nor the Daughter of God. Without human reasoning taking precedence where is the scriptural authority for this idea? Because Eve came out of Adam means that every subsequent human being is now female?
Christ fulfilled OT/Mosaic Law, the roles of male and female are clearly defined in both the Old and New Testament, without getting into a line by line itemizing of these laws and roles perhaps some scriptural witnesses can be provided that proclaim Christ's ministry was a feminine work.
Peace,
Joe
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Hey Joe my apologies if I overstepped my bounds.Perhaps I completely misapplied what Ray intended to convey by the example I cited.In the end if I have done this by stretching what he said to mean something he did not intend,then I apologize to him,you and all those who witnessed me doing so.
Peace,Steve
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: ez2u on May 27, 2008, 07:04:07 PM ---I ran across this today and thought to share it peggy
Gen 4:4 and Abel, he hath brought, he also, from the female firstlings of his flock, even from their fat ones; and Jehovah looketh unto Abel and unto his present,
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, but He did not open His mouth. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter; and as a ewe before her shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth.
what i see is Abels' offering was of the submissive nature or of the female nature and i've often thought that Jesus complete submission to the Father on this earth was this female action. peggy
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Hello Peggy,
I am having a hard time understanding the spiritual match to these 2 verses. Like Joe said, is obedience and/or submission a female attribute only? As a wife is to be submissive to her husband, he in turn is to be submissive to the Lord.
Also, your comment: "In this world there are many abuses woman and girl children are face with each and every few minutes Tragic ones because of this religious doctrine that isn't just in Christianity but also every major pagan religion on the face of this earth and I believe that this hersey doctrine is a very good strong hold of the flesh not to submit to the workings of the Lord Jesus Christ." Can you explain in more detail your point on 'this religious doctrine' & 'this heresey doctrine'?
I think Sonofone showed great humility and wisdom when stated "stretching what Ray taught" about these comments and apologizing. I don't want to say that's what you're doing with these verses but maybe something to seek Him about.
Marques
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on May 28, 2008, 07:25:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: ez2u on May 27, 2008, 07:04:07 PM ---I ran across this today and thought to share it peggy
Gen 4:4 and Abel, he hath brought, he also, from the female firstlings of his flock, even from their fat ones; and Jehovah looketh unto Abel and unto his present,
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, but He did not open His mouth. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter; and as a ewe before her shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth.
what i see is Abels' offering was of the submissive nature or of the female nature and i've often thought that Jesus complete submission to the Father on this earth was this female action. peggy
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Hi! Peggy
Like Marques may I also ask where you get this heresy doctrine from? What Bible are you quoting from? I have tried to find a reference to "female firstlings" but my Bible (NASV) does not say any such thing, this is what it says; "Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and for his offering;" (Gen.4:4). No mention of female there. Maybe I've got the wrong Bible, if so put me on to the correct one please.
I think you should read your Scriptures more carefully and not add to what is already there, don't you?
God bless you sister in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
Hello Peggy,
I am having a hard time understanding the spiritual match to these 2 verses. Like Joe said, is obedience and/or submission a female attribute only? As a wife is to be submissive to her husband, he in turn is to be submissive to the Lord.
Also, your comment: "In this world there are many abuses woman and girl children are face with each and every few minutes Tragic ones because of this religious doctrine that isn't just in Christianity but also every major pagan religion on the face of this earth and I believe that this hersey doctrine is a very good strong hold of the flesh not to submit to the workings of the Lord Jesus Christ." Can you explain in more detail your point on 'this religious doctrine' & 'this heresey doctrine'?
I think Sonofone showed great humility and wisdom when stated "stretching what Ray taught" about these comments and apologizing. I don't want to say that's what you're doing with these verses but maybe something to seek Him about.
Marques
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