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How did you leave Babylon?
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: Roy Coates on June 03, 2008, 09:22:39 AM ---Just curious how others left their local church. Did you just stop going? Did the Pastor or others from the congregation call? Did you sit with the leadership and advise them of your decision ahead of time? Did you have responsibilities in the house such as Deacon, Elder or Usher? How did you deal with those responsibilities?
Thanks for sharing...
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Hello! Roy
This is Roy UK to avoid confusion.
Yes indeed I would like to share this with you.
I was in the Elim Pentecostal Church for some time and got on fairly well as I thought. Then we had a change of pastors and the new one had new ideas. He was as was the previous one a believer in tithing which at the time was OK because it was the accepted thing to do. Then he asked us how we'd feel about holding home fellowship meetings to which we all agreed wholeheartedly.
The first meeting started perfectly and progressed till the it came to saying a closing prayer. To my surprise he asked each person in turn to pray out aloud, which to me seemed a shambles because it was like everyone waiting for their name to be mentioned and nothing more. Well when my turn came I asked to be excused and be allowed to pray in silence.
Well to my surprise the meeting erupted and he nearly hit me with his Bible, "Silence smacks something of secrecy, intrigue, something you want to hide, underhanded and much more. When he finally finished I opened my Bible and read: “When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him." Matt.6:5-8).
Before I finished reading that passage, he burst out with: "Are you trying to teach me? I know what it says in there, but this is what I have been taught and this is what I believe." That was enough for me, I fetched my wife's coat and we left, surprisingly no one else left with us. Was that not enough for them? I will never know.
Yes, sir, that was the moment I came out of Babylon, and that was quite a while before I happened on to Ray's site. I like to believe that it was the hand of my God in answer to my prayer for fellowship.
By the way Roy regarding your need for credentials to minister in prisons I see no difference between the one you can purchase and the one you have to work and also pay for as they are both bogus and not worth the paper they are written on. Your purpose is a noble one, your calling is of God for that purpose, your knowledge of the Scriptures is founded in the truth so God bless you, brother, and help you fulfill His calling. The lucky prisoners will be receiving The True Gospel Of Jesus Christ and the TRUTH for a change.
God bless you brother in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
ciy:
Remember that Bablyon is also within. You will always be coming out of Bablyon. Religion, the church system, politics, etc are all a physical shadow of the bablyon within. It is to remind us not to "reason with our own understanding" which is man's way, but to "trust God with all of your heart". When we start reasoning out something in our lives remember that "God's ways are not our ways", so just "cast your cares on Him because he cares for you".
That ol man, that first Adam, that Essau in us will continue to make us want to go back into Bablyon all the days of this age.
"Don't be afraid. Only believe."
CIY
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: ciy on June 04, 2008, 01:28:52 PM ---Remember that Bablyon is also within. You will always be coming out of Bablyon. Religion, the church system, politics, etc are all a physical shadow of the bablyon within. It is to remind us not to "reason with our own understanding" which is man's way, but to "trust God with all of your heart". When we start reasoning out something in our lives remember that "God's ways are not our ways", so just "cast your cares on Him because he cares for you".
That ol man, that first Adam, that Essau in us will continue to make us want to go back into Bablyon all the days of this age.
"Don't be afraid. Only believe."
CIY
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Great point CIY
I was listening to Ray's teaching from the Sept. '06 conference and he made mention of people who once came to the conferences and fellowshipped but eventually fell away. They left the shadow or type of Babylon, the church, but they did not leave the one within. Great point again and something to keep in mind and in heart.
Marques
Roy Coates:
For me It is a wonderful journey in progress. I want to be civil and complete my promises with the church as they were made unto God. We are a small group 45 to 100 members. I am an usher/deacon. I also lead a prayer group early Sunday morning. Some time ago I started noticing some problems that disturbed me. I confided in my friend ( a leader and assoc pastor) about them and he actually confirmed many of the issues. But nothing was changing. My friend would some time point me towards the truth and then say "carefull who you show this to" I am not sure if he believed or not. I do know that to suppress the truth is wrong. I stopped confiding in him. I started going to bible college about the same time I started studying with Ray. The Pastor, the assoc Pastors and several leaders were graduates of the same college. Many of them were teaching still. As I questioned their doctrine I was met with more and more negativity. Things started jumping out at me as the Spirit was reveling to me. My time and efforts was spent dispelling the false doctrines. I got good grades, but was told I was deceived, ignorant, or just wrong. I was singled out as a detractor by some. The pastors at our church were often quoting Kim Clement, Joel Os teen, Hagee, Hagin, Benny Hinn, etc. It made me wonder. I thought God and led me to that church for a reason(which He did) I thought it was because they were part of the few. The more I learned the more I came to understand they were indeed part of the many. This group did take me in and love me. They fed me milk and were vessels used to help bring my fiance out of the Catholic religion and myself out of the world. We have our wedding planned at this church 6-21-8. This poses a bit of a dilemma. I can't just stop out right. I feel the need to at least give a notice so that they can get some one to fill my spot. So I am still attending reluctantly. I like to spend my time there in the nursery or the prayer room with my grand daughter. What a great gift from God, a beautiful little baby that occupies my time during the sermon. I am no longer attending the Bible college, considering the mail order ordination to satisfy the worldly requirement for certain areas of ministry. I am withdrawing from any further commitments. Soon I plan to advise the senior Pastor I am unable to grasp his vision. At that point the lawn mowing will be the only commitment I have left. In spirit I am out, and soon to be out in the natural. Of coarse I could go on and on, but you get the idea. Like I said a wonderful (sometimes hard) journey
Thanks to all
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: Roy Coates on June 04, 2008, 10:34:18 PM ---For me It is a wonderful journey in progress. I want to be civil and complete my promises with the church as they were made unto God. We are a small group 45 to 100 members. I am an usher/deacon. I also lead a prayer group early Sunday morning. Some time ago I started noticing some problems that disturbed me. I confided in my friend ( a leader and assoc pastor) about them and he actually confirmed many of the issues. But nothing was changing. My friend would some time point me towards the truth and then say "carefull who you show this to" I am not sure if he believed or not. I do know that to suppress the truth is wrong. I stopped confiding in him. I started going to bible college about the same time I started studying with Ray. The Pastor, the assoc Pastors and several leaders were graduates of the same college. Many of them were teaching still. As I questioned their doctrine I was met with more and more negativity. Things started jumping out at me as the Spirit was reveling to me. My time and efforts was spent dispelling the false doctrines. I got good grades, but was told I was deceived, ignorant, or just wrong. I was singled out as a detractor by some. The pastors at our church were often quoting Kim Clement, Joel Os teen, Hagee, Hagin, Benny Hinn, etc. It made me wonder. I thought God and led me to that church for a reason(which He did) I thought it was because they were part of the few. The more I learned the more I came to understand they were indeed part of the many. This group did take me in and love me. They fed me milk and were vessels used to help bring my fiance out of the Catholic religion and myself out of the world. We have our wedding planned at this church 6-21-8. This poses a bit of a dilemma. I can't just stop out right. I feel the need to at least give a notice so that they can get some one to fill my spot. So I am still attending reluctantly. I like to spend my time there in the nursery or the prayer room with my grand daughter. What a great gift from God, a beautiful little baby that occupies my time during the sermon. I am no longer attending the Bible college, considering the mail order ordination to satisfy the worldly requirement for certain areas of ministry. I am withdrawing from any further commitments. Soon I plan to advise the senior Pastor I am unable to grasp his vision. At that point the lawn mowing will be the only commitment I have left. In spirit I am out, and soon to be out in the natural. Of coarse I could go on and on, but you get the idea. Like I said a wonderful (sometimes hard) journey
Thanks to all
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Hi! Roy
I gather from your testimony that you have been with the church a very long time, and I can only express admiration for your brave decision to eventually leave and "Come Out" completely. That requires a lot of courage but when the truth has to be faced head on it is the only way out as difficult as it is.
I feel truly humbled by this disclosure and wish you God's speed in your journey with Him. My prayers are with you dear brother and I'll have to leave it at that as words just fail me.
May the good Lord help you along every step of the way.
God bless you brother in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
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