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What is the war between good and evil in revelations??
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: winner08 on June 04, 2008, 08:22:17 PM ---Sorry I just don't get it. Rev.19:11-20. What does this mean? It's not a physical war? Jesus Christ does not come down from heaven with His saints to fight against the nations who are against Him?? OK this is not to be a physical war. It's a spiritual war. A war against what? or for what? Now here's another question. When Satan is released for a short time after the 1000 yr. rule of Christ what is he doing? is he deceiving people? For what reason? I know this sounds crazy but what is Satan's purpose for deceiving people? We know it is not for souls, because we don't have immortal souls, so what good are souls to Satan. Also at the end, Jesus Christ will make sure ALL of human kind will be saved. The reason I'm asking these question is because a friend of mine ask these questions of me and I couldn't ansewer her. I said The Lord is not ready to give me this knowledge. So I don't know. Anyways I guess all these questions can be summed up in one. What is Satan's purpose for deceiving people. What does He get out of this. don't Satan know ALL of human kind will be saved at the end because ALL of God's desires will be done.
Thanks everybody,
Darren
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Hello Darren,
I hope you are not offended by this, but you probably want to re-read Ray's entire Lake of Fire series. I know that does not seem to be the direct answer to your questions, but in reality it is. Many times there is no quick answer to the deeper aspects of His Word. The comments Rodger gave you were very good so I think you may want to do some more studying. From your questions, you seem to be missing 2 key elements regarding Revelation:
(1) Revelation is a book of SYMBOLS or SYMBOLISM ['...signified it by his angel unto his servant John' Rev. 1:1]
(2) Revelation is the Revelaton of Jesus Christ ['...which is, and which was, and which is to come...' Rev. 1:8]
So now put these 2 truths together: The book of Revelation is a book of symbols that reveal which is, which was, and which is to come. All the events in Revelation happen in the past, the present, & the future. This is one of the first aspects of Ray's teaching in the Lake of Fire (LOF) series.
If you don't know the answer to a person's question, direct them to the bible-truths website. What's the harm? If you are not a teacher, introduce them to the one you know.
One last note, Ray taught in the Feb 2008 bible study about Fundamental Truths. One point was that if you knew a couple of verses, hold on to them. And then put the onus on others to prove to you scripturally some of their false, pagan beliefs. They won't be able to and it will end any and all arguments concerning the scriptures.
Hope this helps,
Marques
P.S. I posted before I saw Rodger's last comment in case anything overlaps.
OBrenda:
Hi Darren,
I appreciate your questions because they are opening doors of light into areas where I am still in the Dark.
Even though I understood Ray's teaching in the LOF series that teaches that Rev is about Symbols. And that
these are spiritual truths. I was still holding on to physical wars, 2 witness, nations, and marks that people will
actually be forced to receive on their hands or head. I don't think God doesn't want you to know the answer, but we are learning as the scriptures say.....Line upon Line.....Precept upon Precept.
Actually we are having to relearn allot of things. Rebuilding of our foundation so to speak. I see you and another person here Eileen, running in ahead of me with swords (asking important questions) clearing out cobwebs and other crap out of the way for others like me. You may not be a teacher...at least not right now, but you are a warrior for the truth and understanding. And so I'm blessed reading your comments and concerns.
Thanks to everyone of the light bearers, who take their time and share the light with us.
winner08:
WOW! OBrenda; light bearer, warrior for the truth, OK. Thanks. This is my question, short and sweet. We will ALL be saved at the end.What is Satan's purpose for deceiving us at this time? I mean all his deceiving is for not, at the end anyways. For everything Satan is doing to deceive us, God will set right. Witch leads me back to my question. What is Satan's purpose for deceiving us??
Thanks Darren
Robin:
Mark 4
10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that,
" 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'
Mark 4:
14The farmer sows the word. 15Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them.
Romans 11:6-8
6And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
7What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened, 8as it is written:
"God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes so that they could not see
and ears so that they could not hear,
to this very day."
Romans 11
32For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
kweli:
Thanks a lot for elaborating Roger. I think I now understand clearer what the Scriptures have to say.
Darren, I dont know if there's anyone who can tell you any more than you are told here for you to get the picture.
"What is Satan's purpose for deceiving us??"?
I may have an answer, if M.G.'s is not enough...so we can partake of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, so that we can be eligible to partake of the tree of life, all of which is symbolic. Roger was right the first time when he said the book has to speak to you, otherwise it is not meant for you.
All Glory to Him
Oh Darren, forgive me if im reading too much into this but, is that you? ... http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7414.0.html
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