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EKnight:
I am very disheartened after having a discussion about God and the bible with one of my sons(he is 20).  I tried to explain if he read the prophets of the old testament and then saw the results in the new testament he might then believe in the validity of the bible.  He likened it to the predictions of Nostra Damus(sp?).  That when the twin towers fell people said his predictions came to be( which neither he nor I believe) and the New Testament is like that. He said that the prophecies of the old Testament are vague and so could have easily been accounted for by the writers of the New Testament.


Well, I got angry and upset as I always do when I try to get my children to believe.  I never succeed.  I know that God is not dragging/drawing them.  And if it is not God's will and it causes me grief, should I even bother with those whose ear will not hear?  He said if his life is already mapped out for him and he is going through the lake of fire anyway, why does he need to bother with the bible?  I said if you believe that God sacrificed His Son, then you owe Him gratitude for that and all other good that comes into your life.  Then I got a little angrier and said "but you don't want to owe anyone anything, you want to think that you are most powerful!"  Then I cursed and said "okay, you're right, to hell with all of this."

I don't know why I feel this need to be heard on the subject of God and get angry when my kids dismiss it.  Even my husband won't give up his free will.  He said causes and influence are not the same thing.  Yes, he said, God influences us but we are still at liberty to make the choice.  A cause he says is if I put my foot on the gas pedal it the car will move.  I responded as such:  We were driving in the car and tossing back and forth the idea of stopping at the McDonalds and decided to stop.  So I said to him, suppose as we pull off to the Mcdonald's that that car in front of us spun out of control, we would surely be involved in the accident but because our time to go is not in God's plan right now, for reasons unbeknownst to us, we decided to go to McDonald's and now our lives are spared.  Can you say this was not God working in us?  He didn't really have an answer but I am not sure he gave up his free will.

Any thoughts on how I should continue with my family on these matters?

Eileen

Vangie:
Hi Eileen,

Congrats for getting as far as you have, especially with your hubby.  Small steps from your perspective, but huge in what you've been able to relay thus far.  Remember it's all in God's time, not our own to open our loved ones' eyes and you've made great progress IMO!  Thank you for sharing, I feel so hopeful!  My take on your ending question is not to overload them with too much too soon.  Patience.....easier said than done I know--as I'm the poster child for patience deficit disorder.  It's so hard and lonely to understand but not be able to show our loved ones WHAT we understand.  All in God's time, but I think you're really off to a great start in communicating with your family.  If I were the same person I used to be, I'd be jealous  ::)  (Hope that makes sense in a humorous way!)  I hope you keep on studying and building your faith in the truths we're being blessed to receive, and sharing what you learn when the opportunities arise.  It's so exciting to feel connected to other believers!  I hope you keep posting, as I read a whole lot more than I post here.  Looking forward to hearing how things progress for you.

Love in Christ,
Vangie

Rodger, that's so great that your kids have had their eyes and hearts opened! 

Kitt:
Hi Eileen,

The best thing that I can tell you is to relax.  There is nothing that you can do except to set an example, and plant seeds.  Whether or not they grow is up to Yahveh. 

As far as miracles go in the Word of Elohim, to prove His existence,  give people the example of Israel.  Israel went into Egypt as a nation of 70 beings.  They were not assimilated and after 430 years came out of Egypt 600,000 strong plus a diverse multitude.  After 400 some years they were taken into captivity by Babylon for 70 years where they were not assimilated.  They were returned to Israel and Jerusalem by Koresh, (Cyrus) when he was shown the prophesy of Isiah that he, Koresh would do this.  Then after being defeated by the Romans and sent to all of the ends of the earth for almost 2000 years, the most awesome visible miracle of all to date, the dry bones come back to life and Israel is raised from the dead.  Do you see any Cananites or Moabites?

I will join my prayers with yours to our Father Yahveh in the name of His Son Yeshua that he give you peace, comfort and discernment about your husband and children.  I have been where you are and it is very hard to handle.

Peace sister,

Kitt

musicman:
Don't worry.  Your kids are at that age when most don't believe.  If they're in college, they are probably learning about why god is not necessarry for their existence.  Give em about 10 years to ponder their exiistence whithout a supreme ruller to assure their salvation.  They'll be asking questions then.  Just be glad that you don't have to save them from hell.

Falconn003:
Vangie

Thank you for you kind words, now if i can close my WALLET to them     ;D :D  .... J/K

Without kids life would be a bore. IMHO
Rodger

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