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Who do you have more respect for, Christians (Churchianty) or non-believers?
hillsbororiver:
Hi Kent,
Do you know who Paul is actually addressing? Those with eyes to see and ears to hear, otherwise his words are wasted on everyone rather than most. What does the following parable say to you?
Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellow servant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
Who is responsible for their present condition?
Exo 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
Peace,
Joe
winner08:
What do you call people who beleive there's a god and dosen't beleive what the Bible say? My mom is one of these people whao beleive there is a god but also beleives that you can interped the scriptures in anyway to make them fit your beleive system. Every time I try to tell her something scriptual she says well that the problem with the bible everybody makes it say whatever they beleive it to say. Thats my que to shut up and changed the subject. I can't win when it comes to my mom period... Then there's the straight up non-beleivers. I really haven't met any. So I can't comment on them.
Thanks Darren
Kat:
Hi Darren,
I know what you mean about someone that just doesn't believe what you tell them the Bible says. I try to remember that they are deceived and someone that is deceived does not realize they are deceived. A person that is blind to the Truth will say all kinds of foolish things, because they don't know better. It's like someone that has never driven a car trying to explain to someone how they should do it.
It is a big help for me to recognize that they just can't understand unless God opens their eyes. I may not be able to explain someone the Truth, but to be a good example is also a witness to them.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: winner08 on June 11, 2008, 10:13:46 PM ---What do you call people who beleive there's a god and dosen't beleive what the Bible say? My mom is one of these people whao beleive there is a god but also beleives that you can interped the scriptures in anyway to make them fit your beleive system. Every time I try to tell her something scriptual she says well that the problem with the bible everybody makes it say whatever they beleive it to say. Thats my que to shut up and changed the subject. I can't win when it comes to my mom period... Then there's the straight up non-beleivers. I really haven't met any. So I can't comment on them.
Thanks Darren
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Hi! Darren
I can sympathize with your mum, because like me, she was brought up and taught by the traditionalists and as a consequence has become one, resulting in her being well and truly deceived. Unhappily, my brother, you are stuck with that. She'd rather believe the pulpit liars than the Bible in her hand.
Now that's not so bad because she is quite innocently and obediently following the teachings of the liar in the pulpit. I was just like her till I had my eyes and ears opened quite accidentally by none other than that deceiver in the pulpit. When asked why the Church wasn't following the guidelines specified in the Bible and confronted with, “When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words." (Matt.6:5-7), he nearly hit me with his Bible after shouting, "Are you trying to teach me? I know what it says in there (that's the Bible) but this is what I have been taught and this is what I believe and teach. I think it was the mention of the parrot fashion meaningless words that upset him, you want to hear some of them praying, it's an education.
As Ray would say; UNBELIEVABLE!.....UNBELIEVABLE!....UNBELIEVABLE! And just for emphasis UNBELIEVABLE!
God bless you brother in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
Kent:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on June 11, 2008, 08:48:04 PM ---Hi Kent,
Do you know who Paul is actually addressing? Those with eyes to see and ears to hear, otherwise his words are wasted on everyone rather than most. What does the following parable say to you?
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Sorry, but I don't see that. He is addressing Jews (verse 17). They think they know, they think they are teachers, they think they are guides. Did they have eyes to see and ears to hear?
How is that different than "christians", both the preachers and those they preach to? IMO it is the exact same thing. They think, but do they know? Can they admit that they don't know? Not hardly...
If I seem harsh, I have no right to be. That is just the way I write.
I was like that too. I tried to get people to believe these very same lies. "Accept Jesus or go to hell. Accept Jesus and have peace. It was their choice." blah blah blah.
But deep down I knew that none of it made any sense. It took peoples resistance for me to start looking at things again. I was not entitled to any respect because I was a liar. An unintentional liar, but a liar nonetheless.
It takes honesty to say that all a person believed makes no sense. If they do this, they may or may not get an answer, that is up to God, but they are looking. If I never got an answer, then I would have kept my big mouth shut when it came to certain churchianity teachings.
That is what I respect; an honest search for the truth. I refuse to respect those that will not do this.
--- Quote ---Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellow servant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
Who is responsible for their present condition?
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Are those that don't believe His servants? I think scripture is plain that they are, whether they want to be or not. Pharoah in Exodus for example.
Is it compassionate to lie intentionally or otherwise? Is it compassionate to tell people to repent or be tortured forever? Is there such a thing as a compassionate unintentional lie?
I am compassionate with His servants. Too bad that the "church" isn't.
What are the new Christians going to do with they read that NO ONE comes to the Father but by Me?
Think of all those poor loved ones being tortured. Wow, God really is a God of love, unless they are not chosen, and until the heart stops beating.
--- Quote ---Exo 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
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And are we accountable on how we use it? Scripture is plain that we are, since we will give an account of every word we utter.
--- Quote ---Peace,
Joe
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Peace :)
We just see a few things differently.
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