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Kat:
Hi Joe,
--- Quote ---my biggest questions in regard to the resurrection/Millenium is what exactly happens when Satan is loosed after the thousand years? We are told he will deceive the nations once again, I really wonder in what manner and what order......
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I hope I don't go to far in speculation on this, but there are a few thing I've noticed. One thing is we have "ages" plural, yet to go.
Eph 2:7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
This makes me think that there may be more than one age in "the day of the Lord." We know that when Christ returns Satan will be bound for 1000 yrs.
Rev 20:2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
And I think that the resurrection of the dead is to a physical life, so that they can learn righteousness and overcome in the flesh.
So could there be one age, the "thousand years" (not literally that long, it just means a period of time), that is the period of time the Saints rule with Christ on earth. And then there will be another age when there is "nations" still on earth, so all will not have become one with God yet.
I was wondering about all those infant and children that grow up in that age with no Satan to deceive them (since he was bound when Christ returns), maybe things will be too easy for them. Maybe there needs to be a "little season" in which these still left need to be deceived? Just suppose that being deceived is necessary and all those who lived long enough in this present age to be deceived go on to receive salvation in the beginning of the judgment (which can still take possibly hundreds of yrs).
But then there is a second age of the judgement? When those that grow up in the time of Christ ruling the earth, need to go through a little period of deception and then they too receive salvation when the "and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Maybe you can make some sense out of all that, I'm just trying to see how Satan being bound fits in too.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
joyful1:
;D I won't be sad to shed this old body, regardless of the order or process ahead....I'm so glad I never invested in botox!
winner08:
What is the purpose of the devil deceiving nations? I mean if at the end time we are ALL SAVED, what is Satan's reward? If He(Satan) is deceiving us as not to beleive in God or His word, still we will be purge of our carnality and we will be as one with God in His Kingdom. Am I missing something? ??? It wouldn't be the first. : Also, is not the book of revelation symbolism? So the story about the devil deceiving the nations and gathering them together for battle. The number of whom are as sands of the sea. Are not these stories and more, speaking of spiritual matters and not literal things that are going to happen? Like I said I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time, or the last.
Thanks
Darren
jerreye:
Personally (not to be dogmatic or anything, just being honest with myself), I do not see any scripture that suggests that anyone is raised with a physical body again (at THE resurrection). Paul said clearly that "THE" resurrection has not taken place. Those who came to life in Jerusalem after Christ's resurrection was not "THE" resurrection or even a part OF "THE" resurrection. Paul makes no connection and neither should we.
I thought it was "First is the natural (physical body), then THEREAFTER, the Spiritual (spiritual body)". I don't see "First the physical, then maybe the physical or the spiritual, depending on which resurrection you rise in, then thereafter, for sure, the spiritual".
If the wicked are raised with physical bodies, can they die again physically? Physical bodies are designed to DIE...PHYSICALLY. Spirits on the other hand, can (only) die to SIN (the second death) seeing that Satan will, one day, be made righteous after his time in the LOF. If Satan, as a spirit, can be made righteous, then why not men? "once to die, THEN the judgment (second death)".
Perhaps we won't know 100% until then :)
Kat:
--- Quote from: jerreye on June 08, 2008, 03:07:58 AM ---I do not see any scripture that suggests that anyone is raised with a physical body again (at THE resurrection). Paul said clearly that "THE" resurrection has not taken place. Those who came to life in Jerusalem after Christ's resurrection was not "THE" resurrection or even a part OF "THE" resurrection. Paul makes no connection and neither should we.
I thought it was "First is the natural (physical body), then THEREAFTER, the Spiritual (spiritual body)". I don't see "First the physical, then maybe the physical or the spiritual, depending on which resurrection you rise in, then thereafter, for sure, the spiritual".
If the wicked are raised with physical bodies, can they die again physically? Physical bodies are designed to DIE...PHYSICALLY. Spirits on the other hand, can (only) die to SIN (the second death) seeing that Satan will, one day, be made righteous after his time in the LOF. If Satan, as a spirit, can be made righteous, then why not men? "once to die, THEN the judgment (second death)".
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The way I see it the resurrections that took place during the time that Jesus was on earth was not in any way connected to the Great White Throne Judgment - resurrection of the dead. It was for a witness that Jesus was really the Christ.
John 11:41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead man was lying. And Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, "Father, I thank You that You have heard Me.
v. 42 And I know that You always hear Me, but because of the people who are standing by I said this, that they may believe that You sent Me."
v. 43 Now when He had said these things, He cried with a loud voice, "Lazarus, come forth!"
Now consider that everybody in that part of the world, certainly all of Christ's followers knew of these that were resurrected and maybe knew these people. So they understood about the resurrection of the dead back to physical life. What Paul was explaining to the "brethren" was what the resurrection to 'life' - first resurrection would be like.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren...
If Paul called them "brethren" they were brothers or believers. So they knew about the "resurrection of the dead" but where is the resurrection to life ever explained before? Jesus does mention it is John 5, but does not explain it.
John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
So in 1 Cor. 15 Paul was explaining for the believers, then and now, what the "resurrection to life" would be like. Besides is there any where else in Scripture that states those in the resurection of the dead will be Spirit? I can't find a Scripture anywhere that says that. What I see in the Scripture is that if you have the Holy Spirit indwelling when you are raised, then you are given "life" to the mortal body.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
This "life" is what comes after the physical, this is when the Elect receive the heavenly kingdom.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
v.47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
v. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
v. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Those that "bear the image of the heavenly" must be in Christ and Christ in them.
Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus...
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 1:4 According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
The "heavenly places" is a spiritual transformation that takes place in the minds of Believers. Those that have not had this tansformation take place during this life are not of the Elect and will not enter into the "heavenly" until they are coverted in their minds.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
To be raised to the heavenly you must spiritually die in this physical life, then you will be raised with Him "in glory" as spirit.
Col 3:1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.
v. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.
v. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
v. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.
When humanity is raised from the dead, they have not finished with the physical yet. They must first be brought to repentance and then they will begin to be transformed in their minds, just like the Chosen are now, this is judgment. When they have reached the point of overcoming the flesh that God determines, they too will be changed. I would think it will be like those Elect still alive at Christ's return, "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye."
I hope this does not confuse, it is just my perspective and I thought others might want to see how it seems possible for the dead to be raised to physical life.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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